"Passenger Warning" placement

[alcladrv]

I'm re-doing the panel in my -7A. Right now the "Passenger Warning" is front and center on the passenger side so they're always staring at it.

What are the rules for placement of that warning? Can a vinyl sticker with that wording be placed on the canopy rail so it's visible to those entering from the passenger side, thus removing it from the panel? I saw one stuck to the baggage bulkhead on an RV-7 so you can see it while standing beside the plane on the passenger side, but not while you're climbing up on the wing to board.

Thoughts? Regulations?

Thanks

[Mel]

The "passenger warning" placard should be placed where it is plainly visible to anyone entering the cockpit.

[Snowflake]

In Canada, the wording of the regs is such that the warning must be visible to a passenger entering the aircraft. Many builders have put a sticker on the canopy rail, so it's hidden when the canopy is closed. The passenger can't miss it while getting in.

I believe the regs are the same in the US, as Mel says.

[alcladrv]

Thanks for your responses.

[az_gila]

Originally Posted by Snowflake

In Canada, the wording of the regs is such that the warning must be visible to a passenger entering the aircraft. Many builders have put a sticker on the canopy rail, so it's hidden when the canopy is closed. The passenger can't miss it while getting in.

I believe the regs are the same in the US, as Mel says.

The US requirements say visible to all occupants of the plane.

...must be displayed in the aircraft in full view of all occupants...

Does the pilot count as an occupant?

Is it displayed if it's covered by a closed canopy?

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http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/m...F%20Ch%204.pdf

[gossend]

This one's probably for Mel:
Do the FARs specify the size and font for this? I can't find it. I'm printing my own, and I don't want to do anything weird, but what's the 'standard'?
Size?, font?, outline? black-on-white? shiny? matte? English? Multiple languages?(California only)
Also, stick-on, glued-on, or riveted with copper rivets (France)
Sorry....I couldn't help myself

[sglynn]

Is there a strict passenger warning that is needed? Please I need DAR to answer this.

My Quick Panel says, "PASSENGER WARNING THIS AIRCRAFT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH FEDERAL SAFETY REGULATIONS FOR STANDARD AIRCRAFT."

Aircraft Spruce sells one that is slightly different, "PASSENGER WARNING THIS AIRCRAFT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH FEDERAL SAFETY REQUIREMENTS FOR STANDARD AIRCRAFT."

FAA circular from 2012 says, "PASSENGER WARNING THIS AIRCRAFT IS AN EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT AND DOES NOT COMPLY WITH FEDERAL SAFETY REGULATIONS FOR STANDARD AIRCRAFT."

Which one is correct? Does it matter?

I'm getting prepared with DAR and I hate to have to redo the warning Dynon put on my quick panel.

thanks

[vic syracuse]

This is the new wording according to the latest Order:

THIS AIRCRAFT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH FEDERAL SAFETY REGULATIONS FOR STANDARD AIRCRAFT

The pilot is not considered a passenger. He/she is the pilot and should know that the aircraft does not have a Standard Airworthiness certificate and should refer to the Operating Limitations.

As an example, technically the RV-8 does not need the passenger warning on the front panel. It needs it in view of the rear seat passenger.

Vic

[Mel]

From 8130.2j: ?PASSENGER WARNING?THIS AIRCRAFT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH FEDERAL SAFETY REGULATIONS FOR STANDARD AIRCRAFT?

[219PB]

I had Stein laser engrave my panel and it states:

PASSENGER WARNING
THIS AIRCRAFT IS AMATEUR-BUILT AND DOES NOT COMPLY
WITH FEDERAL SAFETY REGULATIONS FOR STANDARD AIRCRAFT

There is the additional words of "IS AMATEUR-BUILT" added to the FAR regs. Hope my DAR does not get this picky.