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control rod scrapes the fuel pump

amekler

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My flaperon control rod scrapes the fuel pump. (this is the updated fuel pump)
Any idea of how to remedy this?
Alan
N603NH(reserved) RV12 50% done?
 
It is a close fit. There are a couple of things to check. When I had this problem, I found my flap handle to control mixer connecting rod was not the right length. Also check the main flaperon tubes for the correct length.
 
Steve,
Will check. This is with the wings off. Does that make any difference?
I haven't set the the stabilator cable tension yet so the control stick moves a lot.
This is the updated fuel pump so I don;'t know if it is taller than the original pump.
Alan
 
Not having the wings on or the elevator cables tension should not make a difference in my opinion. I too have the upgraded pump. Once again, The length of the push rods, including the flap handle push rod are crucial. I'd remove them and measure them precisely. I assume that the interference occurs with the flap handle set in a detent (?) ... check it in all three positions.

The geometry is very subtle. But the length of the rods causes the two main flaperon push rods to sit higher or lower just slightly. That was my problem anyway. My flap handle pushrod was longer by an 1/8 of an inch and my flaperon push rods were also of just slightly. When I corrected these, the fuel pump interference problem went away.
 
My flaperon control rod scrapes the fuel pump. (this is the updated fuel pump)
Any idea of how to remedy this?
Alan
N603NH(reserved) RV12 50% done?

This is usually caused by the flapperon push/pull tubes being not quite the proper length when the flapperon torque tubes were originally drilled (if they are just a bit short the horns on the torque tubes will be angled fwd a bit too much which will cause contact when it pivots fully fwd.
 
That’s what I had to do. Only one was drilled off from where it should have been, so I replaced that one. Problem solved.
 
Scott,
What's the fix? New torque arms?
Alan

If you use care doing the drilling (since the holes in the inboard portion wont be smaller pilot holes anymore) you can just replace the outboard portion While being certain that the push/pull rods aren't any bit too short.
 
need to fix it

I assume a rod end could be adjusted (outward) if a push/pull rod is too short?
The right side push/pull rod "kisses" the top of fuel pump on my 12 (flaps up, full deflection).
I notice it during preflight (with pump running) the pump sound changes when the rod touches it at full flap deflection. :mad:
 
This is usually caused by the flapperon push/pull tubes being not quite the proper length when the flapperon torque tubes were originally drilled (if they are just a bit short the horns on the torque tubes will be angled fwd a bit too much which will cause contact when it pivots fully fwd.

Scott, I believe you are partly correct. It has to do with pushrod length but not torque tube drilling. The drilling process only determines the position of control surface (although they may not measure to the dimensions in the PAP). Contact with the fuel pump is caused by the either flaperon pushrod being too short or the the flap handle to mixer bellcrank being too long. Or both. Ask me how I know.
 
my right Flaperon tube only hits with no flap setting
Alan

That’s how mine was. I think I figured out the mistake the builder made, but it’s been a while and I don’t remember exactly what it was. Either the flap handle was in the wrong position, or the AN3 bolt used to hold everything in one place was in the wrong location. Anyway, the only fix in our case was to replace the right side flaperon torque tube. Don’t have the part number handy, I’m away from home. Everything worked, but the right side pushrod would bump the corner of the fuel pump with full right stick and no flaps. You could only feel it on the ground, and it was just barely noticeable. With flaps it didn’t happen at all.
 
This is a great thread, and as I`m getting ready for final inspection, it had me wondering about clearances on my controls. I also found the sound of the rudder cables to be a bit concerning so I was thinking mine could have been accidently crossed or rubbing somewhere (they turned out to be fine, just the sound of the cable on the plastic bushings in the rear bulkhead).

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Scott, I believe you are partly correct. It has to do with pushrod length but not torque tube drilling. The drilling process only determines the position of control surface (although they may not measure to the dimensions in the PAP). Contact with the fuel pump is caused by the either flaperon pushrod being too short or the the flap handle to mixer bellcrank being too long. Or both. Ask me how I know.

Same thing I was saying; with my mention of "drilling" being that you can't just lengthen the push/pull rods to correct it. You would have to at the same time, do the rigging process and drill new outer torque tubes to have the system configured correctly.

Said in a different way, the problem is caused by the flaperon torque tube arms not being in the proper position when the torque tubes were drilled (which locks in the relative positions of the entire system).
 
Got it. Agree. My concern was that people would re-drill the torque tubes thinking that was the root cause of the issue. What they really need to do is to make absolutely certain of the length of the pushrods...then re-drill the t-tubes because if drilled when the pushrods were the wrong length, they’ll need to be re-drilled to achieve the correct flaperon position.
 
so today I measured the flap control rod I got 11 7/8. The specs say 11 25/32
both flaperon control rods were 38 7/8 the specs say 38 3/4
these measurements were in the plane with a tape measure so I'm sure they could be slightly off
Should I remove the rods and remeasure?
Is this slight difference enough to cause the lack of clearance of the right flaperon control rod?
Alan
 
so today I measured the flap control rod I got 11 7/8. The specs say 11 25/32
both flaperon control rods were 38 7/8 the specs say 38 3/4
these measurements were in the plane with a tape measure so I'm sure they could be slightly off
Should I remove the rods and remeasure?
Is this slight difference enough to cause the lack of clearance of the right flaperon control rod?
Alan

If the issue was caused by a dimensional issue with the push/pull rods it would be because they were slightly too short.
If your measurements are correct, it would mean yours are slightly too long.
If that is the case, then they shouldn't be able to contact the fuel pump unless the flap handle wasn't in the fully retracted position when the torque tubes were drilled.
 
I remember the flaps were fully retracted when drilling the torque tubes
my plane is to remove the control rods and remeasure
Alan
 
well,
we measured everything.flap rod was perfect. right control rod was 1/4 in short. left control rod was 1/8 in short.
corrected the lengths. replaced torque tubes and redrilled the new tubes
success. the rods clear the fuel pump but not my much.

Alan
 
Question - now that you changed lengths of control rods, will there be a noticeable roll induced when you lower the flaps?
 
Question - now that you changed lengths of control rods, will there be a noticeable roll induced when you lower the flaps?

Not since he re-drilled the torque tubes. I did the same on one side of mine -- had to replace the torque tube, since it couldn't really be re-drilled. What you end up with is the exact same rigging and control motion, but the control rods are moving in the proper way.
 
I re-rigged and drilled new torque arms with the wings attached and flaperons set 1/8 inch below
Alan
 
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