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12-20-2021, 10:51 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2021
Location: Cocoa,Fl
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Wing installation after adding seal
Hi All,
I'm going to be installing my wing root seals soon. I know this has been discussed alot in the past. Someone had mentioned using an expander from northern tool to draw the wings on. I have been unable to locate a pic of this in the previous post. Can someone post a pic please? I don't want to clamp C Clamps to my spar so looking for other options. Thanks
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12-20-2021, 01:46 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Tracy Ca.
Posts: 32
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Harbour Freight search for tail pipe expander 2 sizes med=1.2 to 2.5 and Lg. 2.5 to 3.5
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12-20-2021, 02:00 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2021
Location: Cocoa,Fl
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Quote:
Originally Posted by grholderbein
Harbour Freight search for tail pipe expander 2 sizes med=1.2 to 2.5 and Lg. 2.5 to 3.5
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Thank you. I wasn't sure of what type of expander. I'm worried about damaging the bushings. Has anyone used a hardwood tapered dowel with success?
Last edited by Jcurry : 12-20-2021 at 02:04 PM.
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12-20-2021, 02:26 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Maricopa County, AZ
Posts: 31
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Jack, check PMs
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12-20-2021, 07:10 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Keystone Heights, FL
Posts: 547
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Jack,
I see you’re an A&P, so some of my offerings below may be stating the obvious for you. Still, I’ll share observations from my build in hopes of benefit to you and others, assuming no major design or material changes to the seals since I built 6 years ago. Also, I share your concern about damaging the bushings! I believe I did use a piece of hardwood to gently lever the wing spars into alignment a time or two.
It seems to me in that those seals only serve to fill the gaps and prevent airflow in/out, turbulence and drag at the wing roots. They may also reduce cold drafts on your keister! In my opinion they should be firmly and uniformly (but not too tightly) compressed between the wing skin edges and the fuse skins which are unsupported. We’re not trying to seal a pressure vessel here.
So, before using a LOT of force (such as pipe expanders) to align the wing pins, check a couple of things…(ok 5 things )
1- Make sure it’s not something else interfering with proper alignment and seating of the spars. I had some proud wing spar rivets that would hang up against the fuse skins. Took me a while to find ‘em.
2 - make sure the gaps between the wing skins and fuse sides are uniform all around ie top, bottom, leading and trailing edges. Carefully and gradually trim tight spots further as needed.
3 - be sure the seals are placed exactly according to the KAI procedure. The seals have a beveled edge, so a little bit out of position one way or the other makes a difference in how they fit the gaps.
4 - once other obstacles have been eliminated, consider additional trimming on the inboard edges of wing skins if needed rather than applying excessive force to line up the pins. I had to do two iterations of this on my early kit #121.
5 - I used a Scotch Bright wheel on each spar pin to slightly round and polish the edge line where the tip bevel and pin barrel surface intersect.
Note: when all is said and done, it still sometimes requires wiggling at the wingtips, cajoling, light lube, gentle hammer taps and appeals to the dark forces to get the pins fully seated.
Perhaps our friend DBRuth can shed light on how to make it go more smoothly since he is able to get his bird off a trailer and ready to launch pretty darned quick!
Lastly I suppose some sort of caveat/disclaimer is in order…my build was an early one. Many changes and improvements have been incorporated in the kits, materials, and KAI procedures. If any of the above conflicts with current KAI, follow the kit instructions!
All the Best and Merry Christmas!
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12-20-2021, 07:47 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Perth, Western Australia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jcurry
Has anyone used a hardwood tapered dowel with success?
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Yes, it works but the expander is better. I use a piece of empty silicone sealant tube cut down to fit as a sleeve inside the bushing to prevent the expander from directly contacting the bushing.
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12-20-2021, 08:49 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Riley TWP MI
Posts: 3,512
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Another option is to use nylon Ratchet Tie Down strap(s) from
wingtip to wingtip over the cockpit rails to pull the wings together.
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12-21-2021, 09:16 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: El Dorado Hills,Ca
Posts: 89
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I tried everything,then I tried the expander and that solved everything in about 30 seconds, that's the way to go.
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12-21-2021, 09:57 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2021
Location: Cocoa,Fl
Posts: 163
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hiline
I tried everything,then I tried the expander and that solved everything in about 30 seconds, that's the way to go.
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An exhaust expander? Do you remember what size? Thank you
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