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Old 01-20-2016, 09:38 PM
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Default Starting Recommendations: 1 Impulse Mag +1 Pmag

We've recently acquired a 114-series P-Mag (with latest V40 firmware) with the intent of replacing the right hand Slick mag on our O-360-A1F6. The current plan is to retain the left hand impulse-coupled Slick mag.

My question to those with experience with this configuration is, should I continue to plan on starting using only the left impulse coupled mag, or should I simply set both P-lead switches to "ON" and start on both the impulse and P-mag? If experience has proven one method to work better than the other, why is that the case?

Our ignition control consists of toggle switches, so there's no worry about having to figure out how to make a key switch achieve the desired ignition configuration for engine start. P-Mag power is supplied through a separate toggle switch being fed from a separate breaker on the main electrical buss.

Thanks for your well-considered and helpful responses.
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Old 01-20-2016, 10:29 PM
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I have plasma iii on right, impulse on left. I can start off either, but it starts better on plasma.
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Old 01-20-2016, 11:01 PM
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Default My 2 cents

I was developing hard starting issues with two mags(especially with engine hot) and also installed one pmag. I always with both the slick mag and pmag on and never have had any issues with starting. I see no advantage of starting on one mag.
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Old 01-20-2016, 11:25 PM
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Like Alton, I have a slick mag and a plasma III. Similar to your installation I think. I start with both toggles on. No problems after 7 years, 600+ hours, and 600+ engine starts.
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Old 01-21-2016, 06:48 AM
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I've used the combo you are installing (slick-impulse and Pmag), it doesn't matter if you start on one or the other or both, on my plane any combo works just fine. But I used both all the time since there is no reason not to have all the spark you can get while cranking.
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Old 01-21-2016, 07:13 AM
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Start on both.
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Old 01-21-2016, 07:16 AM
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Default Always use both, starts great

We have an impulse mag and one Pmag. Always leave them both on and she usually starts on first blade, we have a primer system but never use it.

Always have alternator on before start and until after shutdown also.
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Old 01-21-2016, 07:33 AM
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Thanks for the great feedback! From a point of logic I couldn't see any reason not to use both the impulse mag and P-Mag for starting and wanted to make sure there wasn't some obscure (or blindingly obvious! ) reason not to. Thanks to your very helpful replies I'll be using both ignition systems at engine start.
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Old 01-21-2016, 07:45 AM
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Personally, I ditched the impulse mag first on the two airplanes I've done. The Pmag renders the need for an impulse coupling obsolete, and you get to ditch the added weight and complexity of the impulse coupling. Win-win-win.

If you're in love with the impulse, start on both.
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Old 01-21-2016, 07:59 AM
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I have my left mag with impulse and right replaced with Electroair ignition. I decided to keep the impulse mag.
On a previous airplane, I had Plasma on the left and mag right without impulse. Had to start on the plasma in that case. The problem was if the battery was low the airplane could not be started as the battery voltage sagged to much to run the Plasma ignition. Not a problem at my home base, but when away a major inconvenience. So on my current airplane I kept the impulse, and if I can get the prop over compression with the starter, I can get it started.

With the impulse mag, I start on both.
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