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Old 09-13-2009, 04:50 PM
Tom Martin Tom Martin is offline
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There has certainly been lots of attention given to rockets lately. I have been flying rockets since 1998 and have been at the controls of at least eleven of them. Each and every one was a delight to fly. There is no mystery to performance; it is simply a function of a clean design combined with a great power to weight ratio.
For those of you who are really interested in a quick build rocket let Mark Fredrick know. He has a great product and has been wonderful to deal with. Given enough genuine interest I am sure that production would start again. This is such a fantastic airplane that I would really love to see what the next generation would be like.
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2010 SARL Rocket 100 race, average speed of 238.6 knots/274.6mph
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Old 09-13-2009, 10:53 PM
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Bill Wightman Bill Wightman is offline
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Tom, given your experience: a previous post asked what "rocket performance" would be. How would you quantify the difference between, say, a 200HP RV8 and a 260HP rocket? (Cruise speed / climb rate / stall speed - all the usual stuff sport pilots want to know)
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Old 09-13-2009, 11:05 PM
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I went from 900ft. MSL to 10.5K flying Mark Frederick's F1 in less than 3 minutes... Does that tell you what you want to know?

Its the finest flying machine I've ever flown. Super 8 comes fairly close, I've flown one of those also....

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Old 09-14-2009, 02:44 AM
Bob Axsom Bob Axsom is offline
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Default Tom's is top of the line as is John Huft's RV-8

Tom Martin's EVO Rocket is top of the line as is John Huft's RV-8. If you compare these two airplanes in races where they both flew you would have a good idea of the performance margin between the uncompromising examples of the RV-8 and the EVO Rocket. For the regular F1 rocket You could use Wayne Hadath's Rocket for comparison. The race by race results of all SARL sanctioned races for the past 2.5 years are listed at

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Old 09-14-2009, 09:49 AM
Sid Lambert Sid Lambert is offline
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I would like to see someone design a rocket based on the pre-punched RV-8 kit. Beefed up spar, shorter wings with longer ailerons and a beefed up fuselage center "box" that can be implemented in the current RV-8 kit. +/- 9G at a gross of 1900 lbs and a VNE around 275 MPH. It should have a rocket style gear on the engine mount so you can do away with the gear box and put the rudder pedals where they should be. Is this too much to ask?
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Old 09-14-2009, 07:29 PM
deene deene is offline
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Another fastback option that's not as expensive is the Tom Clark Fastback Kit. About $500 plus canopy and enough alcad to cover the turtledeck. See:
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Old 09-14-2009, 07:43 PM
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