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G-600

DaneP

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Here is an update on my plane (an RV-8) with a GNS 480 and a Garmin G-600. Originally I had an EFIS manufactured by an company who’s logo includes colored hills. I found that the original EFIS was not up to my expectations, so I replaced it with the new G-600. The G-600 is everything that I hoped the original EFIS would be, and more. It was more expensive, but in the end, for me it is well worth it.

The display on the G-600 is nothing short of amazing, even in direct sunlight, it is very clear and readable. At night it dims down nicely and reverts to a night mode, much like the 496 does at sunset.

The learning curve is steep, but after figuring out what all the functions are, it all starts to make sense. The left screen is always an ADI and HSI, The right screen can be a moving map with the flight plan and weather over laid, a list of way points and other information from the flight plan, a systems page, or a page that displays approach plates, either "JeppView", or Garmin's own charts "Chartview", which are just the NOAA charts. Either type of chart is available by subscription, but the Garmin charts are cheaper. 90% of the time I have the right screen set to view the map, which is great for situational awareness. During approaches, I find myself flipping back and forth between the map, and the approach plate. It would have been nice if they would make an option to put the HSI (Lower Left Screen) in Arc mode with the flight plan displayed in Magenta, much like it is in an FMS equipped Airplane. That way you would keep your Situational Awareness as you progress through the approach procedure and still have the plate to look at. I understand that with JeppView, the aircraft position is displayed on the chart, which would help. Perhaps next year I'll spring for JeppView to see if I like it better. Also included are databases for Terrain, Obstacles, Safe Taxi, and Airways. All of which can be updated for a price.

The interface with the Autopilot could use some work. I have a Trutrak AP 100 Autopilot. It will fly both analog or digital course (GPSS), and an analog or digital glide slope (GPSV). The Lateral part of the interface works fine. The autopilot will fly the heading bug if commanded to do so. If I tune in a VOR or Localizer and set the autopilot to fly the course, it works fine. If I am flying a GPS course or GPS approach and engage GPSS, the Autopilot flies the course flawlessly.

Vertical steering is where things break down. In Altitude Hold, with the Glide Slope armed, the autopilot captures the Glide Slope just fine, However, on a GPS Approach, near as I can tell, there is no way to make it follow the GPS Glide Slope - It will not capture the GPS Glide Slope at the final approach fix. The best I can do is to follow it down, adjusting the Vertical Speed to keep the VDI centered. If I try to engage GPSV at any time, it will not arm and I get an audio alert from the autopilot saying "Vertical Steering Not Available".

Garmin Tech Support was not helpful once they found out that I didn't have one of the prior approved autopilots. The Autopilot Manufacture was not much help either. The workaround that my avionics dealer has come up with is to tie the autopilot directly to the GNS 480 during GPS approaches. This will be done with two relays, in series. When both (precision approach) and (GPS guidance) are active, (Pins P5-68 & P7-17 pulled low), the Arink 429 signal will be switched from the G-600 directly to the 480. The problem is, that although the GNS 480 provides both GPSS and GPSV, only GPSS comes out of the G-600.

I can hear some of you now saying to your selves, "he must not be a very good pilot if he needs the autopilot to fly the approach for him", but after 30 years of flying, yes I can hand fly the approach, but my situational awareness is higher if I let the autopilot fly it for me. Also, I believe that everything on the airplane should work as advertised.

Hopefully the lack of GPSV on the G-600 is a temporary thing. This is not the only thing that needs improvement, but over all, I am very pleased.

I have to say it has been a pleasure to work with Gardner Aviation Specialists in Peachtree City Georgia. They have gone above and beyond to make sure that all the problems are worked out, and they definitely think outside the box when occasion calls for it. Gardner did all the wiring behind the panel which left me to install the Remote Compass, AHARS, Air Data Computer, and Temperature Probe.

I believe that Garmin has a "Killer Application" with the G-600 and that they will capture considerable market share in the future with this product. It is small enough to fit in an RV-8 and interfaces with existing radios (GNS 430, 480, 530, SL-30), so it's not like learning a whole system. Also the price is very reasonable when compared with the likes of a G-1000 or G-900.

Dane Patterson

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Dane's plane

... is simply one of the finest RV's on the planet. Dane is also highly skilled in the electronics area and just like the old commercial said, when Dane speaks (about avionics), you should listen!

Dane is a master craftsman. In fact, I accused him of building 3 or 4 RVs and only keeping the best parts! I'd love to have his scrap pile!

In addition to his avionics, he has a number of other distinctives on his award-winning RV-8. I'll try to remember a few:
>IOF-360 Engine-FADEC engine with Whirlwind prop. Beats all other RV's here for speed and climb
>Heater is Oil cooler/ exchanger and electric augmentation in the rear
>On-board fire suppression
>On-board Oxygen-built in system and regulators
>One piece wing skins dimpled twice-once from each side. Perfect flush fit and finish
>Fuel tanks filled with explosion-proof foam
>Inverted oil system
>Backup generator
>Rocket style intake
>Perfect fiberglass, paint, wheel pants,etc
 
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Avionics yes, Computers?

Ok, when I click on the little picture icon it asks for a URL. Somebody tell me how to post a picture to web board and I'll be happy to send a picture of the panel.

Also, pretend that you are talking to someone that doesn't know what a URL is.
 
Link

It looks like they allow you to link to another web site, for example.
So folks will save their pictures to a site such as flicker, then copy the "url"
from that and put it here...

I'm a computer geek..but I am pretending you don't know what URL means.

If you want you can e-mail me the pics and I can post them.
 
That thing looks great Dane! I get the feeling that they are using the same screen technology in the 696 - very bright, and the colors are superb.

Paul
 
No round backups

The Dynon and the 496 both have internal backup batteries and they are powered by a separate bus (what I call the "B" bus). It would have to be a very bad day with multiple failures for everything to go dark. In a certified airplane, the usual backup for the ADI is a turn and bank indicator. I consider the Dynon with its demonstrated excellent reliability as a much better backup than half a dozen round dials (that I don't have room for). :D

Dane
 
Except for the...

....and as someone else asked earlier. no round backups.

Beautiful panel!

...clock that actually has those pointy things - I think they are called "hands"...:)

Try asking a kid these days which direction is clockwise...
 
Oh, I'm all with you, Dane....

.......since we're planning on a no-round-dial panel on the -7A being built in my hangar. He's putting in two Dynon synthetic vision screens and a 396 with wx. Their own internal batteries are all he's gonna use for backup.

I mentioned it because recently there was a long discussion about the merits of round gauge backups.

Regards,
 
Dane,

Very well done!

If you ever need, you can remove the G meter on the left and turn that feature on in the Dynon D10A.

Just another way to get a little more space, if you ever need it. I'm sure you are done and don't plan on moving or changing a thing for now.
 
Dane,

I can hear some of you now saying to your selves, "he must not be a very good pilot if he needs the autopilot to fly the approach for him", but after 30 years of flying, yes I can hand fly the approach, but my situational awareness is higher if I let the autopilot fly it for me. Also, I believe that everything on the airplane should work as advertised.
IMHO, it is a smart pilot that takes as much workload off as possible in order to mange and monitor the approach. Beautiful airplane and great job!
 
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I fixed it up for ya, Mark. Looked like there was an extra pair of tags around each URL and the URL's both had a duplicate "http://" at the beginning.

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Dane,

IMHO, it is a smart pilot that takes as much workload off as possible in order to mange and monitor the approach. Beautiful airplane and great job!

Absolutely! Use technology and become the back-up monitor. Makes the hardest part of IFR flying safer and easier. Just remember to turn it off once in a while and make sure you still have the right stuff. I usually hand fly approaches on relatively good weather days. If I know I'm going to minimums, autopilot is always a helper.

Steve
7A Flying
 
G600

Dane,
Any thoughts on centering the EFIS screen to the pilot ?? I'm very close to committing to the G600 in my Rocket and have this hang-up about things being centered. Of course this then drives most other locations. Also, would anyone know if there would be a difference in function between a GNS430 and GNS530 in this configuration ?? Would the 530 do something the 430 wouldn't or visa-versa ??
 
GNS 430 vs 530

AFAIK the only difference is the size of the screen.
I have both a 530 and 430 in a kit I recently purchased, and because I
also am getting an Avidyne MFD, I will likely be going dual 430s, and cutting the 530 out.

Brad
 
Not to hijack the thread, but...

I've had a chance to fly with both 430s and 530s. Other than the size of the screen, the 530 has one extra thing going for it that you might not be aware of: It automatically decodes the morse code and and displays the identifier of the currently tuned navaid, saving you the effort of doing it yourself. (You do listen to the morse audio before every approach to make sure the navaid isn't out of service, right?)

Having said that, I have two 430s in my panel instead of one 530. Given my restrictions on space and cost, I'll gladly listen to the morse code in exchange for a second comm radio.

cheers,
mcb
 
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What the point of having a 496 in there? 3 GPSs better than 2?

In order to put XM Weather on the G-600 I would need to install a GDL69, around $7,000.00. For around $2,500.00 you can buy a 496. You get XM Weather and Satellite Radio, plus a whole lot of other features for the bargain.

Also the G600 does not have its own GPS. It relies on an external radio, the GNS 480 (in my case), to establish it's position.

Any thoughts on centering the EFIS screen to the pilot ??

Ideally I would think that the ADI should be centered in the panel. That would place the screen off set to the right.
 
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