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View Poll Results: Are you building an RV-15?
Yep 48 18.68%
Nope 133 51.75%
Maybe 76 29.57%
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Old 08-10-2022, 11:26 AM
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I'll bite. Aside from a void in their lineup, what void do you think it's filling where there's not another plane that does the same thing?
It is clearly obvious at this point that it doesn't look like the RV-15 will fit YOUR needs but that doesn't mean it wont fill the needs of many others.

How about if we flip the discussion and ask you to list all of the other kits that already directly complete with the mission profile that the RV-15 is designed too.


A few of the key ones for the 15 are -

Very good cruise speed to landing speed ratio. 140 kts (to get you to your adventure site relatively quickly) to 400 ft take-off / landing distances.

Equal comfort seating for two, with no difficult gymnastics required to get into the front and/or back seat (one thing we have learned in 50 years is that this is a real issue as the pilot population average age keeps creeping up), and the fact that for a lot of the pilot population, having their passenger seated beside them is a huge selling point (compare the # of RV-6's and 7's sold compared to the # of RV-4's and 8's)

Huge baggage area
I have already calculated that I will be able to carry two mountain bikes (only disassembly will be removal of the front wheels), my tandem seat inflatable kayak and associated gear, all camping gear needed for two people including an inflatable air bed (I am getting older too), a good sized cooler with all food needed for more than just a weekend adventure, and all of the other misc things that I might want. We think that capability work for most peoples needs, what every they may be.

A landing gear design that gives the same level of energy absorption / suspension as other aircraft have, but without using the huge / soft (and very expensive) tires that many other aircraft require, to get the same performance.

Very quick and easy to build once the expanded detail construction manual has been fully developed and released.

These are some of the more significant design details that we think make the RV-15 stand out in the market, but there are many other smaller ones as well.

Two things that it does miss is that it is not tandem seating and it is not a full on 4 place airplane.
That is for a very specific reason... it influences many of the other design benefits, such as large baggage area, etc.
Extensive research showed that the majority of people flying the same mission with 4 place aircraft (C-170, C-180, etc.) do so with the rear seat removed, so they are operating them as a two place anyway. Doing so is just compromising the overall performance because you are flying an overall larger airplane when you otherwise wouldn't have too.
The side by side detail I have already commented on.


We have learned a few things after 50 years in this business. A significant lesson learned is that we can't please everyone. But that doesn't mean what we do in a design is wrong, or we probably wouldn't have lasted for this long.
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Old 08-10-2022, 11:37 AM
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... although I love the idea of landing on relatively shorter grass strips, but I have no ideas about really ever going to real "back-country"
I know it probably seems like worlds away from a lot of the U.S, but out here in the west, particularly here in the Pacific north west, there is a huge number of airstrips that are not particularly short (often times because of their elevation), or particular rough, but that are located in the "back country" and having an airplane that is biased more towards the capabilities of a true back country airplane can still be beneficial.

The RV-15 will be capable of using the rougher / shorter back country strips, but I think the average user will be someone that doesn't regularly fly it to that extreme of its capabilities.
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Old 08-10-2022, 12:43 PM
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I am even more ALL IN. Can I send you my credit card already?
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Old 08-10-2022, 01:59 PM
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The RV-15 will be capable of using the rougher / shorter back country strips, but I think the average user will be someone that doesn't regularly fly it to that extreme of its capabilities.
Well said ... I have a serious personal goal of competing in some STOL events in the coming years ... would be awesome to roll up at one of those in an RV-15
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Old 08-10-2022, 03:32 PM
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Maybe,

I currently fly the RV10 and CC EX2. The biggest issue with the EX2 is the cabin heat, hardly exists. The RV15 needs to have great heat, I am sure it will based on the RV14 engine set up. There is nothing worse than being out in the cold for hours ice fishing only to get in an airplane that will not warm you up, fun is all gone. The EX3 solves that but then one needs to look at cost over mission.

The RV15 may not get in as short as a CC but how often does one really need too. I find myself on one gravel bar that I go to often that may be to tight for the RV15. All the others are plenty big enough. Do I really need to go there. Haven't decided. Going where no one can go is quite fun.

The other item is the luggage. I can only fit one mountain bike in the back if I don't take a passenger. It's fun, but more fun with two. My son and I load the ten up with two mountain bikes often and go to many places with airports. It would so nice to go to back country spots with two bikes and two people with no worry of beating up the ten.

Then there is the 2 dogs. They would love to always come with us. Can't load them in the back of the cub but RV15 no trouble.

I am finding many reasons to build the RV15, but I must say, I really do love flying the cub.............above -10c
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Old 08-10-2022, 07:30 PM
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Some folks just like Range Rovers ... no judgment
You have idea how many lift kits and big mud tires and snorkels I put on brand new defenders that will never see gravel let alone off road ha
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Old 08-10-2022, 08:54 PM
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  • Easy to get into.
  • Like to pack the kitchen sink when you travel but can't afford an RV (10 or otherwise)?
  • Love the old-style plane looks but don't like the smell of your grandmother's couch?
  • Like to upgrade anything on an old plane but can't afford to?

I'm sure there has to be more out there!

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Old 08-10-2022, 09:21 PM
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Is there another kit with similar specs I can build?...
Please quote the specs so I can determine if they meet my performance requirements.
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Old 08-11-2022, 10:39 AM
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Looking for a high wing to replace my RV6 but no time to build, cost of the RV15 used when any available $150K+. Will explore the Glastar or Sportsman instead.
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Old 08-11-2022, 11:30 AM
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I'm in 100%. I realize no numbers are published yet, but a careful look at the prototype tells the story... lots of room, shock absorption on main gear and tw, huge fowler flaps, lots of wing area, stabilator... the details are there! My only concern is if they start taking wing area or flap away from that recipe... it has to be at least as useable as my A1b Husky in the low speed envelope.
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