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Old 03-22-2021, 08:03 AM
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Default Wingtip Nav lights/strobes. Whelen Microburst or Aero LED's?

I'm at a decision point for wingtip Nav lights and strobes. Wondering what builders are preferring currently?

The Microburst II are advertised as "Product does not meet the requirements of 91.205 (c), required for night flight.", whatever that means to an Experimental build?

The Aero LED's look interesting.

Any other's that should be considered? The lower cost options are enticing.
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Old 03-22-2021, 08:29 AM
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I'm at a decision point for wingtip Nav lights and strobes. Wondering what builders are preferring currently?
The Microburst II are advertised as "Product does not meet the requirements of 91.205 (c), required for night flight.", whatever that means to an Experimental build?
The Aero LED's look interesting.
Any other's that should be considered? The lower cost options are enticing.
Just as a point of clarification, lighting requirements are no different for experimental aircraft. §91.205 applies equally for certified and experimental aircraft.
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Old 03-22-2021, 08:34 AM
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Consider FlyLED. Lots cheaper if you don't mind assembly. I thought it was fun.
Can't comment on how well they work at night but they were really bright in my shop.
I bought The Works wingtip set up and tail beacon.
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Old 03-22-2021, 08:36 AM
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I’ve used the AeroLed NAV/Strobes on two RVs and like them. For the current RV-10 project however I’m looking at “The Works” from FlyLED.

In addition to the AeroLED NAV/Strobes, I installed two FlyLED landing lights in each wingtip of the RV-8 (one aimed for taxi, one for landing) and like the product. Thus my leaning now to go with “The Works” on the new project.

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Old 03-22-2021, 09:35 AM
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In terms of Whelen products, the correct wingtip nav/strobe unit that meets the requirements of 91.205(c) would be the Orion 650E. Corresponding tail light is the Orion 500.
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Old 03-22-2021, 09:41 AM
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So the Microburst stated that they aren't Part 91 compatible (for some reason), do the FLY LED lights meet part 91? I didn't see an answer on their site...

Do they need to?

This was what I see in Part 91......

14 CFR § 91.209 - Aircraft lights.
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§ 91.209 Aircraft lights.
No person may:

(a) During the period from sunset to sunrise (or, in Alaska, during the period a prominent unlighted object cannot be seen from a distance of 3 statute miles or the sun is more than 6 degrees below the horizon) -

(1) Operate an aircraft unless it has lighted position lights;

(2) Park or move an aircraft in, or in dangerous proximity to, a night flight operations area of an airport unless the aircraft -

(i) Is clearly illuminated;

(ii) Has lighted position lights; or

(iii) is in an area that is marked by obstruction lights;

(3) Anchor an aircraft unless the aircraft -

(i) Has lighted anchor lights; or

(ii) Is in an area where anchor lights are not required on vessels; or

(b) Operate an aircraft that is equipped with an anticollision light system, unless it has lighted anticollision lights. However, the anticollision lights need not be lighted when the pilot-in-command determines that, because of operating conditions, it would be in the interest of safety to turn the lights off.

[Doc. No. 27806, 61 FR 5171, Feb. 9, 1996]
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Old 03-22-2021, 09:52 AM
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I believe it's not certified per part 91. However , I believe,
as long as your lighting will comply with the part 91 standards then its good to go. Just like all the antenna that are designed for experimental, none of them are certified for part 91, but they perform just as well and hence the reason we use them. There are so many old c172 rentals that have certified lighting that are less bright with their old incandescent light bulbs than the newer LED.
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Old 03-22-2021, 10:22 AM
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Legally, the FARs limit EAB aircraft to day, vfr. Your operating limits will contain a waiver of that, if you equip per 91.205. For EAB, The FAA seems willing to accept a statement from the manufacturer that products meet the standards, in lieu of full-blown TSO compliance. I asked Paul if FlyLEDs ‘the works’ meet the standards, he said yes. Note this is for nav and anti-collision lights. Landing lights are not required.
Edit. Obviously you also need something to give nav and anti-collision coverage in the aft direction.

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Old 03-22-2021, 09:13 PM
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... do the FLY LED lights meet part 91? I didn't see an answer on their site.
Hi Andy
When I was doing the maths on making Flyleds lights I think I shifted a decimal point somewhere. The first reaction we get from customers usually goes along the lines of "Holy ___ these things are bright!", even when they are doing their testing with a 9 volt battery.
Yes we exceed the brightness requirements by a significant margin.
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Old 03-23-2021, 01:08 AM
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you are asking for opinions so you will get some.

For a ready to go out of the box installation I prefer Aero LEDs. They are lower profile and seem to be less prone to damage compared to the Whelen bubble lens. I have installed and run both makes on different airframes but I will default to Aero LEDs.

For a DIY or kit route I would definitely use FlyLEDs. I have only purchased their awesome little wig wag module but was very impressed with customer service and read nothing but good things about them.
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