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Old 01-23-2022, 06:35 PM
toolmanmike toolmanmike is offline
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Default What's NOT included in the kit?

My 7 Q.B. is on order, I have almost all of the necessary tools and my shop is almost prepped for the build. I still have many months till the kit shows up...

2 questions:

1. What "extras" do I need to shop for now that aren't included in the kit? Aside from interior, avionics, and engine please. Are there lots of parts and hardware that I will be scrambling to find and holding up the build even more? I realize I will probably need some screws, hose clamps, and zip ties, but I have been reading the plans and this site and don't hear may complaints about stuff not included in the kit.

2. What "additions" or "mods" should be on my must have list so I can get them ordered ASAP as well? Things like the upgraded tailwheel and the slid canopy extensions..... what else?

Thanks, really excited about the build and don't want to get ahead of myself, but a YEAR to wait.......!!!! I need some research projects!

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Old 01-23-2022, 06:58 PM
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Default Included

I replace the fuel valve (use Andair) and gas caps on all my RV kits. I also use flexible lines and AN fitting for the brakes. Besides that be ready for the 100 orders of random things over the years - electrical wire protection, clamps, standoffs, etc, etc.
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Old 01-23-2022, 07:21 PM
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Default Extras

If you need a list to get through fuse stage, add all the fiberglass stuff. Maybe add primer and paint for the interior.
Call and ask for an inventory of the Finishing and Firewall Forward kits. They will give you a good idea.
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Old 01-24-2022, 09:12 AM
John Tierney John Tierney is offline
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The first "option" in the empennage kit is manual or electric trim. Get the correct hardware.
In the wings, if you intend to put in an autopilot, you need to purchase the appropriate bracket for the aileron servo/manufacturer you intend to use (same for the fuselage/elevator servo mount).
You're a long way from this, but I don't know if the static port kit comes with a Van's standard Fuse or Finish kit, and a lot of people upgrade the static ports/fittings.
Pick up a selection of "Oops rivets" like this:
If building an -A model, get the step kit.
If building a slider canopy, get the Supertracks extension from Flyboys.
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Old 01-24-2022, 09:44 AM
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One of the frustrating things for builders new to the world of experimental kit aircraft is the fact that not all hardware call-outs are going to be correct all of the time. Van’s is pretty good - when they say you need a particular length bolt, that is usually going to work out. But not always - and that’s just because of tolerance stack-ups and bolt lengths that are almost long enough….but not quite. The over-riding rule is not what is in the plan - it is what fits in YOUR particular installation.

Which is a long way of saying - if you’re waiting for a year anyway, make sure to go to SnF or Airventure and drop by the B&B tent, and buy an assortment of AN3 and AN4 bolts in various lengths. That way, when you;re trying to finish an assembly, and the specified bolt is just a touch short, you can go to your drawer and get the next size longer, and press on. Otherwise you’ll be stuck, waiting for a week for delivery of that one bolt from Van’s or ACS - or you’l use the short bolt when you shouldn’t.

And while you’re at B&B, buy a big bag of AN3 and AN4 nylon lock nuts so that you aren’t concerned about how ,many times you have used one.

All this hardware is cheap (compared to the finished airplane), and it is better to have it on hand and not need it than need it and not have it….
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Old 01-24-2022, 11:21 AM
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My long lead items:

Andair fuel valve for a dual tank, full return style system: 24 weeks
Sam James Cowl: 54 weeks
Engine: 38 weeks
Avionics: were booking build slots 30 weeks out, then 4 weeks to build/ship.
Paint/Primer: 2-3 weeks because I have to find suppliers willing to ship to CA.

Everything else normally showed up with 1-2 weeks of ordering it. I have a few dozen orders from Van's from misc parts, and probably 100 orders from Spruce on hardware, accessories, etc. You'll have plenty to do where if you have to wait a week for a hose clamp to show up, it's not going to stop progress on other areas of the plane, so don't worry about having absolutely everything ready before you start.
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Old 01-24-2022, 11:38 AM
David Paule David Paule is offline
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Get some parts bins and start draining and saving water bottles. Get a labeler that lets you choose the tape you want for the labels. Small parts like nuts and bolts go in the parts bins and rivets go in the empty and dry water bottles. That way when you knock a bottle over, you won't have rivets all over the floor.

The kits have the hardware in mixed bags, and you'll get to sort the stuff. But the plans or manual calls them by their part number, so it's the part number that goes on the bins. If you get a copy of the hardware lists in advance, you can start labeling the containers now.

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Incidentally, I haven't needed the funnel shown in the photo. Thought I would, but it's not needed.

What does come in handy are a few plastic trays from microwave foods. I'll move the hardware for a task to a tray and take that to the project. That way there's not a lot of extra stuff cluttering up the work area, and what I need is right at hand. If I'm riveting, I'll pour some rivets, just a few, into a tray, and leave the rivet bottle near it as a reminder of what size rivets are in there. Some tasks use multiple rivet sizes and then I'll put the rivet bottle in the tray as a reminder, with another tray for a different size rivet. You can see the black trays I prefer at the bottom right corner of the photo.

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Old 01-24-2022, 11:39 AM
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Be a little careful of consumables like tank sealant or epoxy and perhaps paint. Some of them have a shelf life. You'll know in plenty of time for needing them and can order them then.

Also, parts bought now, like lights, could have their warranties expire before you even start that part of the airplane.


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Old 01-24-2022, 11:48 AM
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Determination and drive to finish.

Luckily frequent visits to VAF can help. Also bumming rides, visiting other projects, and most important is support from your family.

Good luck with your forth coming endeavor.
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Old 01-24-2022, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike S View Post
, visiting other projects, and most important is support from your family.

+1 for visiting other projects.

I learned more from visiting projects and asking questions than I did working on my RV. VAF provides a wealth of information but there is no trade-off of looking at another RV7/RV7A being constructed and get the mental picture of what it will look like when you get to that stage. As you review the plan, note the items you don't understand and ask the builders when you visit their projects. A few minutes of looking at the real thing worth more than many days of scratching your head.
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