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Old 09-22-2020, 06:57 AM
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Default Washers - NAS1149F0 vs AN960

OK, I am confused.

In Van's instructions (Section 05-33) it clearly says to NOT substitute a AN960 washer for a NAS1149 washer because the NAS washers are manufactured to a higher tolerance but when I try to buy NAS washers from Spruce they offer the 960 washers instead.

Is this a concern?

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Old 09-22-2020, 08:18 AM
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The main concern is in situations where the plans call out the use of washers as spacers......

Even though both washer designations are aircraft grade hardware, the NAS part has a much tighter tolerance for thickness than the AN washers have.

This causes a lot of problems when calling out a specific # of washers for an assembly that they are used as spacers in.

So in instances where you are just using a washer for the common purpose of load distribution and abrasion protection AN960's are fine, but NAS should be used when it looks like a specified stack-up is dimensionally sensitive.
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Old 09-22-2020, 09:38 AM
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I measured a couple batches of AN960 (one from ~1983 and one from last year from AS) and the NAS1149 washers supplied by Van's. The AN960s came in consistently 0.002-0.003" undersized at 0.060-0.061". The NAS1149 were 0.0063-0.0064". n=5 from each batch.

Interestingly I also have mixed in with the old batch of AN960s some washers that have a silver-colored plating (nickel?) and match the NAS washer thickness.
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Old 09-28-2020, 12:40 PM
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The main concern is in situations where the plans call out the use of washers as spacers......

Even though both washer designations are aircraft grade hardware, the NAS part has a much tighter tolerance for thickness than the AN washers have.

This causes a lot of problems when calling out a specific # of washers for an assembly that they are used as spacers in.

So in instances where you are just using a washer for the common purpose of load distribution and abrasion protection AN960's are fine, but NAS should be used when it looks like a specified stack-up is dimensionally sensitive.
Hi Scott,
I'm trying to cross reference the 5702-75-060 and 5702-95-30 washers and it appears this may be a Vans part number. Is there a better part number to cross reference? I have a big order going to Spruce for other stuff and wanted to include those. It calls for them on the RV-4 blueprints on drawing 28.
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Old 09-28-2020, 01:22 PM
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Hi Scott,
I'm trying to cross reference the 5702-75-060 and 5702-95-30 washers and it appears this may be a Vans part number. Is there a better part number to cross reference? I have a big order going to Spruce for other stuff and wanted to include those. It calls for them on the RV-4 blueprints on drawing 28.
L. D.
I think someone figured out years ago those aren't *actually* "washers" in the AN/NAS sense...they're *spacers*.
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Would it make sense to use stainless washers on the aileron and flap hinges?
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