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Old 11-22-2022, 04:16 PM
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Default Hypothetical Situation for Discussion

Here is the hypothetical scenario -

You total your E-AB airplane. You remove the data plate. You build (or have someone build for you) a replacement airplane (same model of course), upon which you install the aforementioned dataplate.

No airworthiness inspection. No 51% rule. Potentially no Phase I.

Legal? Ethical? Please discuss.
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Old 11-22-2022, 04:20 PM
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Here is the hypothetical scenario -

You total your E-AB airplane. You remove the data plate. You build (or have someone build for you) a replacement airplane (same model of course), upon which you install the aforementioned dataplate.

No airworthiness inspection. No 51% rule. Potentially no Phase I.

Legal? NO! Ethical? NO! Please discuss.
See above.
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Old 11-22-2022, 04:26 PM
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Another related hypothetical situation:
You are married. Your spouse gets totalled - details not important for this situation. You remove their ring. You find another person with the same name as your totalled spouse. You put the ring on this new person.

Question: Are you married to them?
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Old 11-22-2022, 04:33 PM
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See above.
I appreciate your years of experience and knowledge - however, your answer leaves me wanting more detail, such as a reference to an FAA order or something similar.

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Another related hypothetical situation:
You are married. Your spouse gets totalled - details not important for this situation. You remove their ring. You find another person with the same name as your totalled spouse. You put the ring on this new person.

Question: Are you married to them?
Not really related to my hypothetical at all...
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Old 11-22-2022, 04:36 PM
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Default Serial #?

Isn't the serial # of the airplane linked to the data plate??
Then a new plane would/should have a different #?
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Old 11-22-2022, 04:37 PM
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Another related hypothetical situation:
You are married. Your spouse gets totalled - details not important for this situation. You remove their ring. You find another person with the same name as your totalled spouse. You put the ring on this new person.

Question: Are you married to them?
Depends if she is cuter and dumber than original.
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Old 11-22-2022, 04:42 PM
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Isn't the serial # of the airplane linked to the data plate??
Then a new plane would/should have a different #?
Don't think so. You can use the builder number from Van's as your serial number (and many builders do), but my understanding is you can assign any number you want to the plane - you are the builder.

Maybe different in Canada?
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Old 11-22-2022, 04:47 PM
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Well, in Canada, when applying for the CofR and CofA, one needs to provide a serial# and that number is engraved on the ID plate.

I presume the same in USA?

Now, when one buys a new kit from Van's, I presume a new serial # is issued?
Unless as a recurant builder, you could buy parts/complete kit using the previous serial#?
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Old 11-22-2022, 05:11 PM
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Now, when one buys a new kit from Van's, I presume a new serial # is issued?
Unless as a recurant builder, you could buy parts/complete kit using the previous serial#?
That's the answer. Remove the Empennage since that's where the serial number was assigned.
Buy and build the rest using the aforementioned serial number. Same airplane. Just a joke. I'm sure Vans would question selling another wing, fuse, finishing and firewall forward kit with the same serial number.

Now, the new wife with the same name? I'm sure there's one out there. Whether she's interested, well that depends on how rich and handsome you are.
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Old 11-22-2022, 05:24 PM
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Don't think so. You can use the builder number from Van's as your serial number (and many builders do), but my understanding is you can assign any number you want to the plane - you are the builder.

Maybe different in Canada?
As long as it has not been used by the same builder before.
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