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Old 07-20-2018, 07:29 PM
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The Deutsch guns are the way to go, you could do 20 in the time it takes to do 1 with a nutplate jig
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I don?t see a price, but I am guessing that with a name like Deutsch, you could use all ClickBond nutplates And come out ahead - and save a LOT of time!
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Old 07-20-2018, 07:32 PM
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Never used a nut plate jig. Just use a nut plate itself. On the M2, almost all are 6-32 screws so drill hole w/ #28 drill first, wind the nutplate down on the screw and drill the wing holes #40. Debur and rivet. Done. With the folding wing, I prob have 5-600 nutplates for stuff thats usually riveted.

For those of you worried about wallowing out the wing holes, forget your worries (within reason of course). Nut plates torque against the rivets in shear, not strain, so as long as you fill the wallowed hole with your squeezed rivet, it wont go anywhere - ever. You really only need one wing rivet to secure the nutplate, so the second one is just "turning" insurance - but good to have none the less.
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Old 07-20-2018, 07:40 PM
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Gee, I just use another nutplate. Put a screw or a cleco in to hold it, drill one rivet hole. Drop a cleco in there, drill the other. Once in a while, rivet the nutplate to the airframe and use another one as the tool.

Why bother with a special tool?

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I just use a nut plate. Take a standard machine screw, put a nut on it, drill the screw hole, thread screw into nut plate a couple of threads, run the nut down to hold it, drill away...

No muss, no fuss, no wrenches required...
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I built my whole plane using a a nut plate drilling jig called a nut plate. I didn?t even know there was such a thing. Seems llke the holes on the jig would get larger and sloppier the more you used it. Just using the nut plate your going to install seems like the easiest, most accurate way to go. Just make sure you cleco the holes as you go to keep it aligned. Never had any problems this way. Oh no, maybe all of mine are wrong.
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Never used a nut plate jig. Just use a nut plate itself. On the M2, almost all are 6-32 screws so drill hole w/ #28 drill first, wind the nutplate down on the screw and drill the wing holes #40. Debur and rivet. Done. With the folding wing, I prob have 5-600 nutplates for stuff thats usually riveted.

For those of you worried about wallowing out the wing holes, forget your worries (within reason of course). Nut plates torque against the rivets in shear, not strain, so as long as you fill the wallowed hole with your squeezed rivet, it wont go anywhere - ever. You really only need one wing rivet to secure the nutplate, so the second one is just "turning" insurance - but good to have none the less.
Ditto on all counts. Just another tool that will collect dust. Besides, there will be places that jig won't fit and you will use a nutplate and screw anyway.
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OMG. Yes, you can walk uphill to school barefooted in the snow.

Of course you can use a nutplate and cleco instead of a jig. Did that early in construction.

Jigs are faster and easier to keep the new holes oriented the way you want.
A must have? Certainly not. Nice to have. Yup.
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Old 07-21-2018, 06:34 AM
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I don?t see a price, but I am guessing that with a name like Deutsch, you could use all ClickBond nutplates And come out ahead - and save a LOT of time!
Only $4565, this drill all 3 holes at once so as fast as you can move it you can have a perfectly drilled holes. Wayyyy faster than clickbond.
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Old 07-21-2018, 06:42 AM
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Only $4565, this drill all 3 holes at once so as fast as you can move it you can have a perfectly drilled holes. Wayyyy faster than clickbond.
But you still have to countersink for, and squeeze, rivets to mount a regular nut plate.

ClickBond - one hole, squirt adhesive, pull the fixture through the hole - done!
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Old 07-21-2018, 07:15 AM
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https://www.yardstore.com/nut-plate-...-standard-518h

#6 and #8 - - -it will do single leg too. Some places they just don't fit, but then using one for a guide works.

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Old 07-21-2018, 10:23 AM
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I built three planes using the nutplates as a jig. Then I used a nutplate jig for the next 8 planes. It is a lot faster and more accurate in my opinion. I use just one tool set up for the most common #8 nutplate this works for all standard nutplates you just have to drill the centre hole out for larger screws.
Accuracy is as good now as it was when new.
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Old 07-22-2018, 06:00 AM
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After using the nutplates as a jig, I thought I'd try a jig so I bought one. As Mr. Martin said, it's a whole lot faster and much more accurate. It's one of those things I bought and thought, wow....why didn't I get one of these sooner? I now have 3.
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Old 07-22-2018, 06:36 AM
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Thanks everyone. Although it sounds like the consensus it can be done without with similar results, I'm a big fan of having good tools if they make life easier at all. I'll get a couple ordered.

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