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Old 03-22-2021, 01:56 PM
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Default Slip with full flap

New member here. Returning to aviation after almost 20 years and am considering buying a used RV6/7.

Hypothetically ...

At 8000 feet my engine quits. All the normal restart procedures fail. I see a 2000 foot runway about 2 miles off.

So I head to my chosen approach area and begin a spiral, hoping to roll out on 1/2 mile final at 500 feet.

But, it turns into about 1000 feet agl and I'm just passing 85 mph - slowly bring on full flaps. Still gonna overshoot more than I want.

Can I aggressively slip with full flaps without fear of an exciting pitchover at low altitude?
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Old 03-22-2021, 01:59 PM
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RV-6 and small vert/rudder, book deflections, yes.
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Old 03-22-2021, 02:07 PM
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Yes. Stay away from stall speed.
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Old 03-22-2021, 02:20 PM
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Default Slipping with flaps........

One of the items on my RV-4 Flight Testing Cards was, at altitude, to apply full flaps at flap/landing speeds, slow to approach speeds and slip her with full flaps, left and right (which is done in the Cub nearly every landing, at least one direction.....). At the control deflection that you would likely do on a final approach (I don't remember doing full control deflection as "normal" had the desired effect), I didn't find any untoward problems...and she wanted to come DOWN........ Again, I am very used to slipping as I was raised on Cubs........

If you slow them up on final approach, they will want to come down just with full flaps. When I'm out practicing engine-out approaches, I find more often than not, I need to work the flaps including retracting them to keep her on the "glide slope". My left hand is on the (manual) flap handle using them as another control. And, as my instructor used to say (on final): If you want to come down, pull back on the stick. Want to come down faster: pull back more. Knowing where your stall speed is, of course.....

And pulling back power with a controllable pitch prop can be like a speed brake as well.....

Flight-testing your new ride will tell you a lot as well......

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Old 03-22-2021, 02:36 PM
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New member here. Returning to aviation after almost 20 years
Chris, welcome aboard the good ship VAF

And, welcome back to the best hobby/activity in the world
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Old 03-22-2021, 03:16 PM
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I had the same question. Slips with full flaps work great on the RV-4. Looks like the space shuttle coming in.
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Old 03-22-2021, 03:28 PM
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...but don't forget to select the uphill tank if you plan a long slip.
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Old 03-22-2021, 04:31 PM
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I slip my 8 all the time with full flaps. BUT--at least on "my" plane, it starts shuttering at 71 KIAS. (About 81.6 if you're in MPH) So I don't get slower than the 71 Kts obviously.
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Old 03-22-2021, 05:43 PM
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...but don't forget to select the uphill tank if you plan a long slip.
Never really thought about that!
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Old 03-22-2021, 06:30 PM
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The stricture against slipping with full slaps dates back to the Cessna 170, I believe -- and the very earliest models had a smaller vertical fin than the later ones.

It's my impression that the don't slip with full flaps advice once had merit but has since taken on a life of its own. That notwithstanding, the advice to try it at altitude is excellent advice.

I don't know, but I'd be cautious about spinning with full flaps. Potential for flap overspeed in the recovery, and potential for blanking the rudder. The Waco biplanes had trailing edge cutouts at the fuselage, and that was for spin recovery. I think...
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