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Old 07-25-2017, 01:30 AM
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Question Shop with a few steps outside the main door?

Hi all,

I'm building a new 450 sq. ft. detached workshop at the rear of my property, but due to ground elevation changes the shop will need to have a few steps up to the shop's French double doors.

My question is... Will I be able to get a completed RV-8 fuselage out of the those doors and down the 3 exterior steps? Presumably I'd need to build some sort of temporary ramp and pulley system to lower it down the steps...?

Is this a recipe for disaster? Or has it been done before?

Luckily, from the bottom of the steps it's a flat, straight driveway right through a 7 ft. high carport and then out to the street.

Thanks for any insight / advice.

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Old 07-25-2017, 04:22 AM
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I can't find the picture but I remember seeing someone in Europe posting pictures of moving his plane out of the 2nd story of his house (I think he had to remove a window to do it). So if he can cope with that, 3 steps should not be an issue
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Old 07-25-2017, 06:09 AM
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Down the steps should be no problem, but these french double doors would want to be wider than the wheel track on the -8, which looks to be 82" outside dimension. From reading other posts you will need an 84" opening, which I suspect is wider than your regular double doors. You could leave the gear off and take it out on a custom trolley, or only build in there until the gear on stage, I suspect both those options would stink compared to having a door wide enough to roll it out. Although, as the other lads have said, anything is possible.
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Old 07-25-2017, 06:19 AM
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FWIW, it's a lot easier to do most of the 'systems' work on the fuselage if it's *not* on the gear. With the legs on, it takes a surprising amount of time & energy just to climb in & out every time you need a new part, or that tool you forgot to bring with you. I've had the engine hung on my -7 with it still on the fuselage dolly (you must plan the support points to do this), so I could do all the engine wiring/plumbing without needing a step ladder to get into the cockpit.

I wouldn't suggest trying to move it down a set of steps while on the dolly with the engine mounted, but if it's just the fuselage and no gear, moving it through a wide door & down some steps should be a non-event.
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Old 07-25-2017, 06:56 AM
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Since you are building the shop, why not just put in a bigger door? And I would also consider making it bigger than 450 sq ft, that is going to be awful small after you get some tools in place. Back to the original question, yes you can get it out ok. I would build it , then remove the gear, engine and tail to get it out. With two helpers, easy.
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Old 07-25-2017, 07:30 AM
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Rather than building a shop with French double doors, why not build it with a single man door and double-opening barn doors? These barn doors can be made very simply, or can be very fancy. Most importantly, they can be made to fit the gear width of your aircraft.

It would just seem a lot easier to be able to do as much of the fabrication work on the airplane as you can while it is in your home shop. I say this as a guy who is building in a hangar located 15 minute's drive from home. Man, I waste a lot of time driving to and from the airport. Some evenings I know I should go to the hangar but I just don't feel like making the drive. If it was the garage attached to the house or a workshop to which I could walk I know I would make it there more often. Heck, I'd likely slip out to the shop for a quick lunchtime work session, too!
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Old 07-26-2017, 01:26 AM
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Thanks everyone for the many excellent suggestions so far.

The reason I was going to use French doors was because this workshop will be converted into a mother-in-law suite detached dwelling in about 10 years (wood floors, full plumbing, etc). However, based on feedback I'm thinking of a variety of changes in the interim.

1) Rather than French doors, I'm now thinking of building in a garage door. Later, when the shop is converted to living quarters, I'll take down the garage door, frame over / fill in the gap, and mount French doors within that.

2) Rather than concrete steps up to the doorway, I'm now thinking of building a straight wooden ramp instead. Later, when the shop is converted to living quarters, I'll tear out the straight ramp and install a switchback-style wheelchair ramp.

3) Due to the layout of my lot, setback regulations, etc. the largest I can build the shop is about 16' x 32', so that'd get me up to 512 sq ft (up from 450). Hopefully that'll be enough.

Thanks again to everyone for the sound advice! This forum is great.

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Old 07-26-2017, 06:43 AM
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Don't panic on the size. I built the entire airframe, even hung the engine, in a work area that's roughly 21' x 20', with a 5' x 7' corner notched out for a bath. As strange as it may sound, your actual work area can be too big. If you're too spread out, you can spend more time walking back & forth for tools, etc.

One thing you might consider, though, is building with a higher than normal ceiling. More freedom of movement, more vertical wall storage, and allows overhead storage. My wings are both strapped to the ceiling of the work space, waiting for completion of 'systems' in the fuselage/FWF. And it will make the space feel bigger once it's converted to living space.
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Old 07-27-2017, 09:49 AM
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Actually you do not need any steps, you can adjust the elevation down a foot or so on the high side and blend the remaining 8 inches or so into a gentle slope. You can also lose elevation from front to back along the outside but have a level floor. Send me a private message and I can explain.
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Old 07-28-2017, 12:12 AM
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