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09-21-2022, 07:44 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: England
Posts: 234
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You have done the lock wiring with the spinner back plate removed...?
Bend a small hook on the end of the wire to help it feed when it appears out the end of the roll pin.
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09-21-2022, 09:46 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Red Deer, Alberta, Canada
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The spinner back plate is not installed, nearly impossible to work with the prop bolts with that in place. My problem isn't fishing the wire out after getting through the roll pin, it's getting the wire into and through the bolt core. I'll use the mark, back off, feed and tighten approach that has been mentioned.
I'll keep the various method to grab the wire in mind, I do have a good pair of angled needle nose pliers that should do the trick.
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RV-9A #91081, C-GCPT
Dynon SkyView HDX, IO-320 and WW 200RV C/S. Flying as of August 6, 2018
Added GPS 175 and authorized for IFR April 1, 2021
Interactive map of all of my flights here
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09-21-2022, 10:18 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Dayton, NV
Posts: 13,313
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I hate to recommend throwing someone else’s money at a problem, but I can tell you that using the Safety Cable tool and cables make prop wiring way easier! The cables are braided, so they are very flexible, and easy to poke through no matter how the bolt gets oriented. Then you just pull it tight through the other one, pop the tool on, squeeze - and you’re done.
However…expect to pay $350 for the tool, plus more for the cables, so figure out what you’re time and frustration is worth….
Paul
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Editor at Large - KITPLANES Magazine
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09-21-2022, 03:16 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: San Diego,ca
Posts: 86
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Agree with Paul
Yep Paul is right. I bought the tool and safety cable from DMC and have not looked back. Well worth the money if you ask me, now I'm still justifying the cost to the wife unit. Maybe I'll have her try and safety wire the prop for justification. 
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09-21-2022, 03:44 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: santa barbara, CA
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My quick eBay-Amazon search indicates the tool alone is going for almost $600. The used ones available were $3-400 and are missing the nose piece.
Yowza.
Update: dmc website indicates a new .032 tool with 3 inch nose is $450
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Last edited by erich weaver : 09-21-2022 at 04:23 PM.
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09-21-2022, 04:10 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2022
Location: Hereford
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I'll bet if you call props manufactures they would not recommend the safety cable tool either. ( It looks like a nice solution).
It takes time for a manufacture to get comfortable with any new method.
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09-21-2022, 04:13 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2022
Location: Hereford
Posts: 115
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Good article idea for Kitplanes magazine.
Safety wire verses other fastening methods such as Nord-lock washer or the cabling tool.
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09-21-2022, 04:20 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 1,464
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying Canuck
The spinner back plate is not installed, nearly impossible to work with the prop bolts with that in place. My problem isn't fishing the wire out after getting through the roll pin, it's getting the wire into and through the bolt core. I'll use the mark, back off, feed and tighten approach that has been mentioned.
I'll keep the various method to grab the wire in mind, I do have a good pair of angled needle nose pliers that should do the trick.
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Going through the core is the easy part.. are you using .032?
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09-21-2022, 05:55 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Red Deer, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 696
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taltruda
Going through the core is the easy part.. are you using .032?
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Not in my case it isn't, it's not lined up properly to the roll pin. I can get 0.025" through the core but not rigid enough to feed out the other pin. The prescribed 0.032" will not go into the core.
And the safety cable tool is $735 CDN on ACS. I'll learn a whole new group of swear words to avoid that cost.
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RV-9A #91081, C-GCPT
Dynon SkyView HDX, IO-320 and WW 200RV C/S. Flying as of August 6, 2018
Added GPS 175 and authorized for IFR April 1, 2021
Interactive map of all of my flights here
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09-21-2022, 06:12 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Posts: 2,528
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironflight
I hate to recommend throwing someone else’s money at a problem, but I can tell you that using the Safety Cable tool and cables make prop wiring way easier! The cables are braided, so they are very flexible, and easy to poke through no matter how the bolt gets oriented. Then you just pull it tight through the other one, pop the tool on, squeeze - and you’re done.
However…expect to pay $350 for the tool, plus more for the cables, so figure out what you’re time and frustration is worth….
Paul
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The torque the nut, loosen, insert the wire, then re-torque method has always worked for me, but the safety cable is way easier. While working for GE in flight ops support, I took a safety wire class (I took every class that was offered to me). We used the safety cables - which GE invented out of necessity. Tracking bits and pieces of clipped off safety wire became a QC nightmare. Every piece of used safety wire had to be accounted for in a jet engine. Hence the safety cable - FAA approved. I bought mine from DMC, and purchased the cables/ferrules online at Amazon. The nose piece is important. Mine is 7”, but sometimes I wish it was shorter. They were about $180 each for the nose piece when I bought mine a few years ago. If you want a different size cable (like .040) that’s a different nose piece. It ain’t cheap, but one per airport, if everyone is friendly and respective, is plenty. I don’t think you can wear this tool out. A local chapter should have one for its members to use.
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