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Old 08-11-2021, 02:51 PM
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I appreciate your reply, I suppose I'm missing your point because vans already makes several models that meet your goal of going fast. If what you want to do is already served a number of different ways, why would you want a 15 over a 14 or a 10? What does high wing buy you? Seems odd to me that the Vans crowd wants another fast airplane as opposed to a backcountry airplane to work a completely different mission in addition to the fast airplanes.

I agree that there are other options in the backcountry market if you are cool with a 2 place, but if you want a 4 place (or 2 plus LOTS of gear) then you are down to a bearhawk, sportsman (kinda), or murphy. If you want an aluminum airplane, then just a murphy, and I think that a polished solid rivet Vans equivalent to the 4 place murphy would sell really well.

The super 170 of the experimental world that Utah-Jay and I are hoping for doesn't really exist, not on the level of Van's kits at least.

Seems clear that no matter what they release there will be some that are excited and others that are disappointed. If they release the super 170 I'll be excited that Vans now makes something that will work for my typical mission, while others will be disappointed that it's not a 150kt airplane.
Super 170,,, is not Available, in an Experimental,,, I have owned my 180J since 2009,,, its the perfect airplane,, except it is certified,,
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Old 08-11-2021, 06:19 PM
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Bulls Eye!!!
Scott,,

Exactly what Im hoping for. A C170. Sized,,, 1400 lb empty. 180-220 hp. Struts,, big baggage door, extended baggage,,,, C180 rudder, C180 rudder,, C180 rudder,, itll look similar. ;-)
I hope so too. I would build one in a heart beat
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Old 08-11-2021, 08:42 PM
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The 170 isn't a 4 place airplane. I mean it has 4 seats, but come on. I'd expect 4 clowns to pop out of a 170 clone. My little BMW has 4 seats, no way 4 adults riding in that thing. Jay said it. The 180 is the perfect airplane, except its certified, true story. If your going for a 4 place plane, make it fit 4 people that you would see at a pancake breakfast that can afford an airplane. Then make it better, build it around the 0-540, make it carry its own weight, etc etc. I'm sure Van's has these idea's already hashed out, but sometimes I'll still beat a dead horse just to see if it will work this time.
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Old 08-11-2021, 09:09 PM
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Smile My wish...

I posted this on the other thread, but I'd like:

RV + Cessna Cardinal + Kitfox.

Here's my rough design impression of this. I'd love Van's to build something like this. If not, I may have to figure out a way to put this out there...

Sarah

Dream specs... 2400-2500lbs gross wt, 1100lbs useful, >160mph cruise, <55mph stall, IO360 to IO540 (Design around IO390). Build for <$120K (Simple VFR). Pop rivets. Lots of plexiglass. Roomy (48in wide at doors). Flat floor and easy entry/exit. NO STRUTS. Some beautiful machined and anodized components (like the spar carry-through). 3 or 4 seats with loads of baggage. Optional chute. Convert tri-gear to taildragger (or back) in a day.

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Old 08-12-2021, 07:52 AM
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The 170 isn't a 4 place airplane. I mean it has 4 seats, but come on. I'd expect 4 clowns to pop out of a 170 clone. My little BMW has 4 seats, no way 4 adults riding in that thing. Jay said it. The 180 is the perfect airplane, except its certified, true story. If your going for a 4 place plane, make it fit 4 people that you would see at a pancake breakfast that can afford an airplane. Then make it better, build it around the 0-540, make it carry its own weight, etc etc. I'm sure Van's has these idea's already hashed out, but sometimes I'll still beat a dead horse just to see if it will work this time.
The 170 and early 180 are the same size. Theres lots of room in the back of my 170. 180 gear is a little taller, but firewall back is the same
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Old 08-12-2021, 09:04 AM
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...if you are 5'10" and 150 lbs...
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Old 08-12-2021, 09:25 AM
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Speaking of another thread...

We want it to be innovative, Johnson said. I dont want to reinvent the wheel.

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Old 08-12-2021, 09:34 AM
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Speaking of another thread...

We want it to be innovative, Johnson said. I dont want to reinvent the wheel.

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This is what innovation looks like for the masses.
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Old 08-12-2021, 11:29 AM
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Default C170 / C175

The C175. With its GO-300. 175 hp engine is 1400 pounds empty.. or close..
I think Van’s could come up with a design similar to the C175,,, that could use a O-360. 180 hp, to IO 390. 220 hp.

Remember,, the engine wasn’t very good, or popular in the C175. But. This plane had 900 / 1000 pound useful load. It is faster than the 170 172. Shared a similar fuselage....to the C180. It had other draw backs. No extended baggage, no Baggage door. No tail wheel.. ;-).

My 1976 C180 is 1700 lb empty. Has a 1000 lb useful load. It will cruse 130 knots.. 230 hp engine, cruises 120-130 knots.... The STANDARD EVERY OTHER is matched to....

Now,,,, think about A kit built C175. / C170,,,by Vans. ,
1300 / 1400 pounds empty,,,
180 -220 hp,, 4 cylinder Lycoming,,,,
This Ought to be possible with similar performance..to THE Standard Back Country airplane,,,. the C180.
There is not a kit that comes close to a C175. When Van’s introduces the RV15? If it’s like I’m describing? The company will not be able to make enough kits to supply the demand.
Hundreds of us want to open the door, step in,,, and have Total Performance at our finger tips. It will be a Grand Slam Home Run.
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Old 08-12-2021, 12:45 PM
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I contend that more will want a 4 cylinder airplane than a six cylinder. Some will want a six. a few will try it. ( Rocket RV4s))
So my argument for the C175 sized high wing.
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