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View Poll Results: Pull Rivets or Solid Rivets?
Pull Rivets 74 35.41%
Solid Rivets 135 64.59%
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Old 07-26-2021, 09:05 PM
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Default Poll - Pull or Pound?

Rivets!

having built most of an RV-12 I can honestly say I'm voting pull rivets. Much quicker build! Of course that doesn't mean you can't use solid rivets, if you want, does it?

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Old 07-26-2021, 09:11 PM
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I vote pulled also for ease of building.
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Old 07-26-2021, 09:12 PM
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They can have potentially different strengths. A design for one might require somewhat more rivets or larger ones than a design for the other. There are impacts.

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Old 07-26-2021, 09:18 PM
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Having built a -12, much of a -7 and parts of a Sportsman and Glastar, I prefer solid rivets. Makes for a much smoother finish, easier to paint, easier to clean.
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Old 07-27-2021, 05:42 AM
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Default Quality suffers for the sake of build speed

Probably just me and donít mean to knock the assemblers out there but pulled rivets just look cheap, amateurish and temporary. Obviously they are the required for certain special situations but otherwise just makes the project look like a high school shop project. Take the time and effort to use solid rivets for a more professional build. Sorry but just my stinky opinion.
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Old 07-27-2021, 06:40 AM
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To me, pull rivets are appealing for their ease of installation only. There's probably a cost savings for new builders WRT to tooling if they went with pull rivets. Some of the most expensive aircraft tools I own are mainly for installing solid countersunk rivets (DRDT-2, squeezer, rivet gun, tungsten bar) For repeat builders who are the likely customers in the near term, no advantage there.
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Old 07-27-2021, 06:41 AM
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Seems to me that decision is up to the designer!

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Old 07-27-2021, 08:16 PM
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Probably just me and donít mean to knock the assemblers out there but pulled rivets just look cheap, amateurish and temporary. Obviously they are the required for certain special situations but otherwise just makes the project look like a high school shop project. Take the time and effort to use solid rivets for a more professional build. Sorry but just my stinky opinion.
Considering all of the other skills you master over the course of an building an airplane, learning to buck rivets is trivial.

Pros: Looks better, lighter, cheaper, faster (flush rivets), makes a cool sound when you install them, WAAAY easier to paint. I've masked N-numbers for paint on nearly 30 pop-riveted airplanes. Words cannot accurately convey the royal pain that process is.

Cons: slightly harder to install.

In case you are worried, check out the RV-12 vs RV-14 build times. They are very close despite the rivet differences. In my opinion, the big deal for build-ability is the format of the build instructions and the matched hole punch.
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Old 07-27-2021, 08:06 AM
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I voted "pull" but what I actually want is more nuanced than a binary choice. I love squeezing rivets and I don't really even mind driving rivets when I can get my hands on both sides to buck them myself. What I really hate is two-person rivet bucking, since the reliability and availability of your riveting partner becomes a challenge. Not to mention, bucking the rivets inside the fuselage and wings usually involves a lot of painful contortions. So I wouldn't mind a combination of squozen and pulled rivets in order to make solo building easier.
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Old 07-27-2021, 09:02 AM
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I voted "pull" but what I actually want is more nuanced than a binary choice. I love squeezing rivets and I don't really even mind driving rivets when I can get my hands on both sides to buck them myself. What I really hate is two-person rivet bucking, since the reliability and availability of your riveting partner becomes a challenge. Not to mention, bucking the rivets inside the fuselage and wings usually involves a lot of painful contortions. So I wouldn't mind a combination of squozen and pulled rivets in order to make solo building easier.
This is similar to my thinking. I'm building a -12, just about at the end of the fuselage kit. Contrary to what a lot of people think about us "assemblers" (I see you over the NYTOM ), there is some actual airplane building and lots of solid rivets in the -12. You get plenty good at prepping for and squeezing solid rivets. I just finished getting the roll over structure all drilled out and countersunk, a task that most people will have "assembled" essentially the same way I did regardless of model.

I have enjoyed the build so much that I'm thinking about what to build next more than I think about going flying. The priority for me is a comprehensive design, documentation, and modern precision kit parts. My opinion is that those things will make a build more enjoyable than one type of rivet or another. If the next kit is well thought out, I'll be glad to have a bunch of dimpling and pounding to do. A little noisy, but I think my neighbors already have me pegged as the crazy guy building an airplane in the garage and will leave me alone.

Anyway, yeah. The idea of a solid rivet airplane biased towards squeezable rivets is attractive to me. I guess that's only practical if a bunch on the skins are blind rivets. By the end of the fuselage kit I think I actually prefer putting in squeezed solids to pulled blinds.
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