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Old 06-01-2021, 12:56 PM
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Maybe I'm remembering wrong but wouldn't an LSRM also allow him to do inspections on other peoples E-LSA and/or S-LSA charge for it?

I realize that this would be pretty rare, as most owners will get their own LSRI, but it could happen.
Yes, but as crazy as it sounds, the way the order is currently written, even though he would have some level of certification as an aircraft mechanic, I don't think the FAA currently recognizes time worked at that level to apply towards an A&P rating.
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Old 06-01-2021, 01:05 PM
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Yes, but as crazy as it sounds, the way the order is currently written, even though he would have some level of certification as an aircraft mechanic, I don't think the FAA currently recognizes time worked at that level to apply towards an A&P rating.
I agree....
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Old 06-01-2021, 01:18 PM
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It seems like at least one FSDO has interpreted the requirement in 65.77(b) of 30 moths "practical experience concurrently performing the duties appropriate to both the airframe and powerplant ratings" to include spending 30 months performing the duties of LSRM.

https://www.aviatorshotline.com/site...powerplant.pdf
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E AB built inspections are fine, if you are the original builder, or have your AP, I believe.

Someone here is bound to correct me, if I am wrong.
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Okay, here’s the correction:
E AB built inspections are fine, if you are the original (or one of the original) builder(s) AND THE FAA HAS GIVEN YOU a ‘limited repairman ‘ certificate, or have your A&P.
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Old 06-01-2021, 01:32 PM
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It seems like at least one FSDO has interpreted the requirement in 65.77(b) of 30 moths "practical experience concurrently performing the duties appropriate to both the airframe and powerplant ratings" to include spending 30 months performing the duties of LSRM.

https://www.aviatorshotline.com/site...powerplant.pdf
Quoting the article... "Now that the Light Sport rule is in place"

Can you point me to that rule? This is the first I have heard of this.

The current FAR and FAA Order still specifiy -

Each applicant for a mechanic certificate or rating must present either an appropriate graduation certificate or certificate of completion from a certificated aviation maintenance technician school or documentary evidence, satisfactory to the Administrator

Do you know anything about what they accept for documentary evidence to prove meeting the 30 month requirement?
In the past it has required a letter from a second party that could personally attest to the applicates experience (usually contains an accompanied list of all of the different processes and procedures they had gained experience in.
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Quoting the article... "Now that the Light Sport rule is in place"

Can you point me to that rule? This is the first I have heard of this.

The current FAR and FAA Order still specifiy -

Each applicant for a mechanic certificate or rating must present either an appropriate graduation certificate or certificate of completion from a certificated aviation maintenance technician school or documentary evidence, satisfactory to the Administrator

Do you know anything about what they accept for documentary evidence to prove meeting the 30 month requirement?
In the past it has required a letter from a second party that could personally attest to the applicates experience (usually contains an accompanied list of all of the different processes and procedures they had gained experience in.
When I got mine a few years back, we (me and the FSDO inspector - he was extremely helpful in my quest!) put together a package listing all of the work I had done in my previous years working on my old Grumman (under the tutelage of an A&P), as well as my early restoration work on Cubs, plus the logged time I had building a few E-AB’s. What counted was that he had a package to fall back on when issuing his signature on my paperwork saying I qualified. That package is probably still sitting in his filing cabinet, and no one else will ever look at it.

Now understand that they have since changed the rules, and you can;t count E-AB building time towards your A&P, so you can;t follow the path I used.

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Do you know anything about what they accept for documentary evidence to prove meeting the 30 month requirement?
Well for one, I don't know anything, I'm just trying to learn what the available options are.

I'm not an ASI but I don't see why a logbook full of SLSA or ELSA maintenance wouldn't be satisfactory evidence. If a LSRM is authorized to perform 100hrs and annuals on LSAs why wouldn't that be satisfactory experience? SLSA/ELSA happen to have both airframes and powerplants!

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Well for one, I don't know anything, I'm just trying to learn what the available options are.

I'm not an ASI but I don't see why a logbook full of SLSA or ELSA maintenance wouldn't be satisfactory evidence. If a LSRM is authorized to perform 100hrs and annuals on LSAs why wouldn't that be satisfactory experience? SLSA/ELSA happen to have both airframes and powerplants!
I am not tryin to debate with you just trying to gain some knowledge if things have changed.

I would still like to see a link to the "new rule" that was mentioned in the article, if you or anyone else can point me to that. That would answer a lot of questions.

Without having that, but knowing a bit how the FAA thinks regarding these subjects, I would be surprised if this is a universal interpretation within all of the FAA (though I hope I am wrong).
Reason for that is that if the only experience an A&P applicant has is on LSA aircraft, they are going to be lacking a lot of knowledge when it comes to taking the practical and written tests (based on my experience of many years working as an A&P on LSA and non LSA aircraft). And the fact that there has been no change to the FAR.
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I am not tryin to debate with you just trying to gain some knowledge if things have changed.
I would still like to see a link to the "new rule" that was mentioned in the article, if you or anyone else can point me to that. That would answer a lot of questions.
Without having that, but knowing a bit how the FAA thinks regarding these subjects, I would be surprised if this is a universal interpretation within all of the FAA (though I hope I am wrong).
Reason for that is that if the only experience an A&P applicant has is on LSA aircraft, they are going to be lacking a lot of knowledge when it comes to taking the practical and written tests (based on my experience of many years working as an A&P on LSA and non LSA aircraft). And the fact that there has been no change to the FAR.
Back a looooong time ago when I got my A&P, ONLY work on Type Certified aircraft counted toward the A&P requirements. I'm talking late 60s - early 70s.
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Old 06-01-2021, 02:27 PM
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My take from the article was that the "new rule" was the LSRM certification since the article is from 2012.

The article said that the 30 months just qualified him to be eligible to meet the minimum requirements for the A&P exams and that he still had to study the materials and pass the tests.

I also think that anyone who gets LRSM after the two week course with the attitude that they actually know anything is gonna find their way into trouble.

If I go that route I'm definitely going to have some A&P mentors because even if I have the authority to sign something off it doesn't mean I actually have the experience to know anything.
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