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Old 01-18-2021, 10:24 PM
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Default A&P mechanics out there?

This is not a Vans specific question so not sure it is allowed on here. But here goes: Iím considering a career change and thinking of attending an AMT program to become an A&P mechanic. Thing is, Iím not interesting in working for the airlines. My goal is to stay in general aviation: do annual inspections, engine overhauls, etc. also wondering if there is any profit margin for ďflippingĒ airplanes like people flip houses, if I could do much of the work myself. For example, buying planes close to needing overhaul, fix up, re-sell. Iím 45 years old and looking for a ďsecond chapterĒ in life and something that I could enjoy and could monetize, slowly easing into retirement years. Any help or advice would be appreciated. Thanks everybody. Oh and btw, Iím currently building an RV-10
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Old 01-18-2021, 11:55 PM
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My opinion is that you canít make a ton of money flipping planes unless you can find the barn deals. If you look at prices for a runout plane vs a fresh restore, I donít think itís possible. No one discounts their ratty plane by the cost of making it nice. And no one gets what they have in a really nice and freshly restored plane.
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Old 01-19-2021, 05:55 AM
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Default My thoughts..

Glad to see someone interested in becoming an A&P, but here are a few observations I have made after 42 years in the industry. I got my A&P at 19, went straight to the airlines for 25 years, then I went to an MRO (Big plane overhaul company)where I manage large aircraft maintenance and modification(most airlines contract out the majority of work now days.). Being a passionate aviation geek, I also acquired my IA and built an RV-4. It is nearly impossible to o get an A&P , then just "dive in" to GA and be good(and safe) at it. GA is WAY more difficult than airline work ,and the responsibility of it is also a bit undaunting, you are the guy doing 100% of the research, paperwork, inspection and touch labor. I do GA work and experimental aircraft mentoring and maintenance "on the side" because I enjoy it and it balances my aviation hobby checkbook. It takes years to understand all the different aspects of small aircraft, and there are few people to teach this stuff to you. Not trying to talk you out of it, just expressing the reality and liability of it. I'm sure other "Graybeards" in the business will echo similar thoughts... I will be doing it in my retirement years, mostly RV's if I can !!
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Old 01-19-2021, 08:27 AM
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yep, I can only echo fixnflyguy...

Worked 20 years as an A&P for the airline here in EU. It took this time for me to realise that pilots were earning way more to work way less. So I stopped moaning and became one

Always kept light aviation as a hobby, still enjoy turning wrenches as a retiree hobby
Would I recommend to anyone to get and work as an A&P? Yes, definitely. Interesting, varied, hands-on, technology, problem solving, etc. Just don't do it for the dough...
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Old 01-19-2021, 09:00 AM
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Yet another echo of the above two responses. There is a LOT to learn. The A&P license allows you to get your foot in the door and do that. If you can start part time while keeping a full time job (as do I), you can easily finance your hobby. Most the the A&Ps I know that make a living of it also have retirement from a previous job, either military or civilian. I gained experience in the Army and got my A&P in 1995 but didn't use it in GA until 2013 (and a year at Gulfstream 1998-99). I hope to retire in 5 years and keep the hobby to offset the cost of flying and upgrading my RV.

That said, it is a great hobby. Go for it!
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Old 01-19-2021, 01:19 PM
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I could have wrote that OP word for word. I got laid off after 20 years in the oilfield. While I was unemployed I got my A&P. Now 6 months later I cant find one single A&P job that starts out above $18hr and you are required to relocate to some far away city in another state. I feel like I just wasted a ton of money and a lot of time for a useless certificate. Unless you start out very young and are willing to take those low paying entry level positions itís not recommend as a career change. I wound up giving up on the career change and went back to being a professional steering wheel holder.
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Old 01-19-2021, 01:33 PM
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Listening to the experts, we have a looming mechanic shortage as well as a pilot shortage. Too bad there doesn't seem to be a lot of incentive for people to get into it.

It does seem to me that having your A&P and commercial would open up a lot of possibilities for interesting flying jobs outside the airlines.

Also rather than "flipping" how about buying rebuildable accident planes to repair and re-sell? Seems like I've seen some of those for a song. And if it's something like an RV all the better, much lower paperwork / inspection burden.
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Old 01-19-2021, 01:52 PM
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Just wanted to bring this recent article published in AOPA Pilot to your attention.

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/...hanic-shortage
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Old 01-19-2021, 01:54 PM
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How do you feel about wiring? I keep hearing about the tight job market for avionics technicians, to the extent that some of the big shops are even mentoring youngsters through a training program to ensure they have a future workforce. Maybe phone a few local avionics installers and pick their brain?
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Old 01-19-2021, 03:33 PM
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thanks for the link SMRacer, excellent read and a good roundup of the general situation.
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