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Old 01-12-2015, 05:55 PM
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Default ADS-B Made Simple

These days I spend a fair amount of my time explaining what ADS-B is, who needs it, and where it's needed. I've decided to put together this brief informational document about the ADS-B mandate. It's written in plain English, with references and examples. Hope you guys enjoy it. Link below

http://www.avionics-installations.com/ADS-BMadeSimple.pdf


I'm open to suggestions as well if anyone has any. I will try to incorporate more pictures in the next revision.
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Old 01-12-2015, 06:02 PM
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Pahan, looks like you have put a lot of thought and effort into this, appreciate it.
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Old 01-12-2015, 06:56 PM
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Nice, a lot of work, it is kind of you to share this with us. Thanks
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Old 01-12-2015, 10:32 PM
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Default Great info!

This looks like some "sticky" material for ease of locating in the future.
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Old 01-12-2015, 11:58 PM
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Default Who knows the future?

I for one wish I had some idea of what to do.
Avionics shop owner: "Prices won't get any cheaper"
Dynon: "We expect there will be more affordable options"
Magazine article "There's no way we can meet the 2020 date"
Shop owner: "date won't be postponed".
Dynon: "Wait"
Shop owner:"If you wait you will find the shops swamped with work."

This mess reminds me of the old joke:

"Definition of a manager: Someone whose position requires him to tell others to accomplish a certain goal, not withstanding the fact that he himself has no clue how to do it."
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Old 01-13-2015, 12:51 AM
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Bob,
We don't think the 2020 date will be changed. You will need to equip by 2020. In our opinion the magazine editors are also clearly wrong since there are multiple solutions for fully compliant ADS-B today, so compliance is clearly possible 5 years before the required date.

When we tell people to "wait", we mean our customers that already have a Dynon SkyView transponder, but are asking about a compliant GPS source. We are suggesting that they not spend money today when their is no rush for an experimental, and prices have been falling about $1,000 per year for the last few years.

We do assume that our customers will be installing this themselves as it will likely be quite easy to retrofit if all you are doing is changing a GPS sensor. If you are, then your only requirement is that you have the GPS in your hands early enough to install it by Jan 1, 2020. Thus, how busy shops in your area might be isn't all that relevant.

Admittedly, if you are looking at having a shop install a full ADS-B suite, then you may have a different set of constraints than we are assuming.

Thanks to the original poster for this document on ADS-B. It's accurate and quite helpful.
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Old 01-13-2015, 07:20 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BobTurner View Post
I for one wish I had some idea of what to do.
Avionics shop owner: "Prices won't get any cheaper"
Dynon: "We expect there will be more affordable options"
Magazine article "There's no way we can meet the 2020 date"
Shop owner: "date won't be postponed".
Dynon: "Wait"
Shop owner:"If you wait you will find the shops swamped with work."

This mess reminds me of the old joke:

"Definition of a manager: Someone whose position requires him to tell others to accomplish a certain goal, not withstanding the fact that he himself has no clue how to do it."
As Dynon Support mentioned, most of the issue is around the certified GPS source. Bill Moffett of NavWorx has stated that he'll sell you an expensive GPS solution today if you really want one, but advises to wait until 2016 for an affordable option that they'll be selling. I intentionally omitted the pricing for both options, but if you're interested I would suggest giving NavWorx a call. They've been fairly transparent on their approach and goals.

I've been pleased with the NavWorx unit. The issues I had were all self induced and resolved. I was an early adopter and NavWorx recently upgrade the unit to the TSO certified version at no charge. I will must likely pay for the certified GPS upgrade when it's available at the lower price point.

An interesting side benefit will be which TSO spec will it be certified for. It would be nice to have a back up GPS is certified for enroute and approach. We'll have to wait and see how it plays out.
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Old 01-13-2015, 10:19 AM
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Great easy to follow description, but I think there is an error in the Glossary section -

Mode C "Veil" - the airspace underneath the lateral boundaries of Class C airspace, but not within the Class C airspace itself.

This is shown as the solid magenta circular line on Sectionals.

I think it should read -

Mode C "Veil" - the airspace within 30 nm of the center of Class B airspace, as shown on Sectionals and Terminal Area Charts.


Or is this actually a definition referring to the airspace under the outer ring of Class B and C areas per this section of the FAR?

(4) All aircraft in all airspace above
the ceiling and within the lateral
boundaries of a Class B or Class C airspace
area designated for an airport upward
to 10,000 feet MSL; and


Note that this specific description excludes the Mode C required airspace outside of the Class B area but inside the 30 nm limits.
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Old 01-13-2015, 11:21 AM
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I'm glad you guys are enjoying the document. I've gotten some very good suggestions on improving it and have already started implementing them. I'll let you guys know when I update the document to the next revision.
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Old 01-13-2015, 11:36 AM
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When we tell people to "wait", we mean our customers that already have a Dynon SkyView transponder, but are asking about a compliant GPS source.
Why wait?

NavWorx will soon be offering an ADS-B Compliant WAAS GPS solution for those with the Trig transponder. Much cheaper than the stand-alone NexNav or FreeFlight GPS boxes, AND it comes with a fully TSO'd ADS-B-IN receiver for weather and traffic.

Can be used in certified aircraft as well, since all of our products have the TSO, and the STC/AML for installations in certified aircraft.

For OEM's we offer the ability to output the GPS data to EFIS displays as well.

The model number is the ADS600-G - price is $2199.00

Shipments expected to begin Feb 1.

FYI - In my opinion, prices for ADS-B equipment will remain where they are at, if not go up slightly.
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