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Old 07-15-2011, 11:17 AM
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Default Dynon Skyview EFIS Survival Tips

A famously skilled RV pilot has just asked to borrow your airplane. There are no issues with insurance, and you have no reservations whatsoever about giving him the controls. Yet, you are slightly worried because ? alas ? he has never operated the type of Glass Cockpit equipment you have installed. Afraid that he might run in to one of those little ?traps? that all complex software systems exhibit to the uninitiated, you take a few moments to brief him on the top ten ?tricks? you have learned that make flying with your personal EFIS easy and stress-free. We all learn short-cuts and signatures that help us more than the structured manuals ever could - now it is time to share those tips with the rest of the world!

If you have more than a few hours behind the Dynon EFIS, how about listing a few of the items you?d share with the finest pilot you?ve ever met if he (or she) was going to fly your plane.

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Old 07-15-2011, 12:43 PM
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Not flying yet - But one trick that has come in handy a few times after the screen locked up is a force reset. You press the first, second, and fifth buttons at the same time.

One of the Skyview updates fixed my boot/lockup problems, so I haven't needed this in a while.
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Old 07-15-2011, 01:15 PM
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Have a mechanical back-up airspeed and tell him to use it when all of the electrical/electronic stuff quits....
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Old 07-15-2011, 01:18 PM
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Default Great subject Paul

I have a friend, retired Naval carrier-based pilot (A-6's) who I'm in the process of getting checked out in my -10.

The flying skills aren't the problem...his first landing in it was passable and OK.

The glass cockpit is new to him and a challenge to me to teach. Although I only have a humble D-100, it's all sophisticated to him....6 pages and an HSI?? Localizer and GS on the artificial horizon? Now THAT, he really likes and so did his carrier based retired friend, whom I sat in the cockpit next to him in the hangar. We haven't even started on the functions of the HS-34 module.

He'll end up on my insurance but the learning curve has really changed from six-pack days.

Add fuel? Well, you push "Menu", then push "fuel", then "full" and hit "accept" and it should read correctly. What if he and his wife are off on a trip someplace and he forgets this simple function and takes off? Yep...a new ballgame. In my opinion, we need a checklist just for the EFIS alone!

I did an initial flight of a brand spanking new -7 last year with a GRT screen that I hadn't learned. I asked him to put it on a page that showed me airspeed and altitude, since I was only going to circle the airport and not navigate anywhere. It had been a long time, if ever, that I had to learn the "gauges" before a flight.

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Old 07-15-2011, 11:52 PM
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Check him out on the Skyview in flt.
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Old 07-16-2011, 06:09 AM
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Default I disagree

Even though you're an airline pilot, there's so much to learn about these EFIS's that sitting in the hangar, with no distractions, you can pay very close attention without burning expensive avgas.

The menu's, pages and other options are amazingly abundant and you'd be lost in flight if you had to strictly look at the 'glass, trying to learn it. In the hangar, you can be self-taught, with the manual in your lap, as I did, and the trickle charger running.

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Old 07-16-2011, 08:35 AM
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I'm a fan of practising landings with the instruments covered. Got to do it sensibly with your buddy taking a peek. It's a confidence builder to find you can do a pretty good job if the screen goes blue. The airlines do it too (just airspeed failure cos it's IFR)
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Old 07-19-2011, 07:24 AM
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Default Fazio's Rules For First Time EFIS Pilots.

I had a total steam cockpit and just went to two 10" Skyviews. The first couple of flights felt like my first flights in the plane. I've got 225 hours on the plane and about 15 with the skyviews. These screens are throwing so much info at you that you will find it hard to get the simple airspeed and altitude. I am very computer savvy and I am head of IT at my company. I played with the screen at home in my shop a lot before I installed it. Once I got up in the air I was drawing a total blank trying to change screens or navigating. These are my rules for anyone flying an EFIS for the first time, either in a new plane or a retro fitted one.

1. Have backup analog gauges for airspeed and alt, not so much for back of the efis as for backup for the pilot.

2. Have the efis speed ranges in the format used to by the pilot, Knots / MPH

3. Have all the instruments properly ranged, green, yellow, red, for engine instruments as well as air speeds.

4. Set a speed bug on your proper approach speed.

5. Set the EFIS to the proper page for display of Flight info and engine info, on the ground. With two screens have the one in front of you on flight and the other on engine. DO NOT play with buttons on the first flight. Leave it alone!
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Old 07-19-2011, 07:47 AM
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Hey folks, all good tips - but none of them seem to apply strictly to a Skyview, do they?

If you want a thread on "how to generically fly a generic EFIS", go ahead and start one - good idea in fact. But the point of this (and the other sticky EFIS threads) was to give SPECIFIC tips for the SPECIFIC EFIS. Otherwise, it really doesn't accomplish much.
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Old 07-19-2011, 08:25 AM
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Default 10" skyview set up...

For the famously skilled RV pilot without SkyView time...
set the primary screen up as 20/80 with engine instrumentation and PFD, do not display synthetic vision, or the map, to reduce noise and clutter. Very easy to see all of the Expected flight and engine data, it is very familiar, and there is no need to press any buttons in flight... once comfortable with the basic setup start exploring the menus; they are straight forward and quite intuitive for screen display, layout, PFD function, and basic auto pilot... come back with questions.
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