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Old 02-18-2021, 07:10 PM
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All good advice, Randy. Thank you. On being mechanically inclined, I built an am/fm radio in middle school back in the 80s and have changed my car's oil.

Also, I'm on the opposite coast to you... in equally expensive MA. Can I assume that salt corrosion is something coastal owners, of any aircraft, accept and not something of special concern for RVs?

I've been lining up everything to be able to act quickly, as you suggest. Then, yesterday I get an insurance quote from AOPA for $9,100. The broker said based on being a student on an ELSA. If that's the case, I think I'll be fininishing my training in rentals.
Go get some other quotes. I doubt you will be able to get insurance for the hull, being a student, probably only liability. That means you will have to underwrite any fix it's on mistakes/damage you make in your own RV-12. Just the way it is.

You will HAVE to buy the plane outright, no financing, no liens, no loans. If you have a loan on it, you have to have hull insurance on it., to cover the lien on the plane. That's the only way to keep the insurance costs reasonable, as a student.

Understand that the RV-12, being a Light Sport, is a "fair weather" flyer. I usually won't take mine up if directional winds aloft exceed 25-30 mph. Another big consideration is crosswinds at where you land.
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Old 02-18-2021, 11:34 PM
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I had no trouble at all getting a part owner pre-solo student pilot added to my insurance. He was covered after 5 hours of dual as long as he was flying under the supervision of a CFI -- whether dual or solo. Give the folks at Gallagher a call and talk to them.
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Old 02-19-2021, 06:58 AM
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Hi Everyone,

I'm a student pilot learning in RV-12s and love the aircraft over the traditional C172 and PA28. I've started thinking of buying my own (built) RV-12 to finish training and for short flights around New England after. I prefer an ESLA that I can make upgrades to as time and budget allows later. Does anyone have any advice on what to look for? Where to look? Rules of thumb, cautionary words, etc. Asking prices are a bit inconsistent, so any insights there would be appreciated too.

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Jose, please pardon the the tangent but can I ask where around Boston youíre taking lessons in an RV-12? Iím south of Boston and would be grateful to hear, thanks!

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Old 02-19-2021, 10:33 AM
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Jose, please pardon the the tangent but can I ask where around Boston youíre taking lessons in an RV-12? Iím south of Boston and would be grateful to hear, thanks!

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Hi, not a tangent at all. Nice to meet other folks in NE. I'm going to CHI Aerospace in Portsmouth, NH on the weekends. It's an hour from Boston, but I'm used to commuting that for work (when commuting was a thing) and I started lessons with East Coast out in Bedford (KBED). If you're in the city, it's going to be a trek to get to any flight school. South of the city, there's a school in Mansfield that uses similarly equiped SportCruiser LSAs.
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Old 02-19-2021, 01:08 PM
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I had no trouble at all getting a part owner pre-solo student pilot added to my insurance. He was covered after 5 hours of dual as long as he was flying under the supervision of a CFI -- whether dual or solo. Give the folks at Gallagher a call and talk to them.
Thank you for the lead, Dale. Is this because the student was a part-owner? Could the student have done it on their own?
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Old 02-19-2021, 02:21 PM
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Hi, not a tangent at all. Nice to meet other folks in NE. I'm going to CHI Aerospace in Portsmouth, NH on the weekends. It's an hour from Boston, but I'm used to commuting that for work (when commuting was a thing) and I started lessons with East Coast out in Bedford (KBED). If you're in the city, it's going to be a trek to get to any flight school. South of the city, there's a school in Mansfield that uses similarly equiped SportCruiser LSAs.
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Old 02-19-2021, 05:51 PM
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Old 02-19-2021, 06:03 PM
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Old 02-20-2021, 09:19 AM
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Thank you for the lead, Dale. Is this because the student was a part-owner? Could the student have done it on their own?
I really don't know. If a student pilot is flying the plane, the fact that I own part of it too would not really affect the probability of his having an accident... so logically, I would think not. I don't know how logical the process is, though.

The reason he became part owner was that there were zero available light-sport airplanes around here to rent. His instructor was teaching him in a Champ, but it wasn't insured for solo student pilots. The only way he was going to be able to solo and finish up his Sport Pilot training was to buy an airplane, and I wasn't flying the thing every day, so taking on another owner wasn't a big deal. We've since added a third guy, who we took on shortly after his check ride. So, three low-time pilots aren't paying even 1/6 of what you were quoted for insurance.

Hull coverage seems to be the really expensive part. If you're going to finance the plane through a regular lender, you'll need hull coverage at least equal to what you've got financed. If you pay cash or use a more creative method of financing (one not secured by the plane), then you may not need full hull coverage. Those are questions that depend on your financial situation and only you can answer them. I've seen a few RV-12s for sale over the years, including the one I'm flying, that fall into the "airworthy and safe, but not necessarily pretty" category and are generally priced accordingly.
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Old 02-20-2021, 10:41 AM
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Jose,

I flew for almost 2 years in the right seat of my friends RV-12. I wanted to learn how to fly, and to get my own plane for the lessons, but needed to see if I would fit in a E-LSA plane first, which is how I met my friend.

I bought my RV-12, during Covid-19, in South Carolina. Had it ferried back to California.

Hired 2 flight instructors, first one felt the RV-12 was a bit too sporty on landing, the second one an old timer at 80 years of age, just loved to fly, but not so much a good teacher.

The 3rd flight instructor was an independent 25 year old with over 3000 hours, CFII, that very quickly figured out the best learning method for me. He's good, but he's also really busy.

The RV-12 is a great learning to fly aircraft... if you get an instructor that gets you SOLID on stablilizing your approaches, every single time. By doing this, it will minimize the number of "firm " landings you have that could have been a lot better. But, it's landing gear won't take gross abuse. I'd say 99% of the E-LSA RV-12 owners already had their pilots license and a lot of hours in the logbooks and even more landings, before they built or got their RV-12. Buying it to learn to fly doesn't make it the wrong tool, you just really need to respect it's limitations and intended plan for owner builders.

If you want a little more stout landing gear, look into the beefed up RV-12IS with the improvements incorporated in the mains and nose gear.
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