Logging 0.1 hours

[runt]

We log Block (taxi + flight) in our logbooks. That's what duty time is based on per the 135 regs. I'm not sure about Part 91 though. The aircraft time is only Flight time of course.

OOOI (Out, Off, On, In)

You could certainly get violated while taxiing around. Might as well get credit for it. Your intention was to go fly so it seems to meet the intent.

[skylor]

I have to ask:

Is the 0.1 hours even worth the potential trouble should you ever find yourself in the position of having your log book scrutinized?

Skylor

[Ed_Wischmeyer]

Originally Posted by skylor

I have to ask:
Is the 0.1 hours even worth the potential trouble should you ever find yourself in the position of having your log book scrutinized?

What potential trouble? As long as I have appropriate requirements logged for currency, that's all that matters. Or similarly, if I was seeking a rating or license.

I've never heard of a logbook being examined to demonstrate currency, but I bet it's happened after accidents or violations.

And for many licenses and endorsements, there's no requirement to carry your logbook.

[Mel]

Originally Posted by skylor

I have to ask:
Is the 0.1 hours even worth the potential trouble should you ever find yourself in the position of having your log book scrutinized?
Skylor

I can point out one instance where 0.1 hr. might make a difference. Back in another life when I went to take my Private Pilot check ride, the DPE, while overlooking my logbook, asked "How many hours do you need for Private Pilot?" My answer, of course was "40!" He then asked, "How many hours do you have?" My answer was, "40!". He told me that there had been a mistake in my logbook and that I did not have 40 hours. He then asked, "Did you log your time coming over here this morning?" Me-"No." DPE-"How long did the trip take?" Me-"How much do I need?" DPE-"0.3 hours!" Me-"That's what it took!" DPE-"Thats what I thought."

After that, all was good!

[lr172]

Originally Posted by Desert Rat

Bottom line; unless you are using the logged time for the purposes of currency or in pursuit of a certificate or rating the FAA couldn't care less what you log.

Does the FAA use time for any currency requirements? I can't think of any. All that apply to me seem to be related to quantities of activity vs time. I guess you may be counting a BFR as currency. Maybe all the type rating stuff is different; I don't have exposure to that.

[lr172]

Originally Posted by Ed_Wischmeyer

I've never heard of a logbook being examined to demonstrate currency, but I bet it's happened after accidents or violations.

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Had a buddy that got a "courtesy" ramp check from an FAA guy wandering around the airport. He asked the pilot if he was instrument rated and if so, current. Pilot says yes. FAA says when and which plane. Pilot give the date he did his 6 approaches. FAA guy pulls out computer and goes to a website that shows pilots track log on that flight. Lucky for my buddy, he didn't fudge anything. He said he often doesn't do the hold, but happened to do so that day. FAA guys says have a nice day.

While not often seen, big brother is out there, so use caution when technology can be used to challenge your particular interpretation of the regs.

[Desert Rat]

Originally Posted by lr172

Does the FAA use time for any currency requirements? I can't think of any. All that apply to me seem to be related to quantities of activity vs time. I guess you may be counting a BFR as currency. Maybe all the type rating stuff is different; I don't have exposure to that.

I guess when I said that I was thinking more along the lines of time required for ratings i.e. 3 Hours at night for a private, or 50 hours of x/c for an instruments rating or whatever.

When you put it that way, the only one I can really think of is that if I'm not mistaken theres a hourly requirement for maintaining instrument currency in a sailplane.

This is really getting down in the weeds from the original post. sorry.

[Snowflake]

In the grand scheme of things, this particular 0.1h isn't one in a string that this pilot logs every day. It's a particular 0.1 where the pilot exercised good decision making and aborted a flight for safety reasons. Sounds like a thing pilots should be rewarded for, not penalized. 0.1 isn't going to affect anyone's totals in any meaningful way(*).

(*) and I say that having finished my flight test and shut down with 44.9 hours total in my logbook, when the requirement for a PPL at the time was 45 hours. Didn't realize until I totalled it up back at the school, had to go for another flight as student before I could get my license...

[Desert Rat]

Originally Posted by lr172

Had a buddy that got a "courtesy" ramp check from an FAA guy wandering around the airport. He asked the pilot if he was instrument rated and if so, current. Pilot says yes. FAA says when and which plane. Pilot give the date he did his 6 approaches. FAA guy pulls out computer and goes to a website that shows pilots track log on that flight. Lucky for my buddy, he didn't fudge anything. He said he often doesn't do the hold, but happened to do so that day. FAA guys says have a nice day.

While not often seen, big brother is out there, so use caution when technology can be used to challenge your particular interpretation of the regs.

I feel like theres more to this story. Unless the guy was literally getting out of an airplane after an IFR flight, this seems like a random kind of question to ask.

Also, those 6 approaches and holding don't all have to be done on the same day. it's more of a cumulative thing than that. But even if I was in that situation where I did all the requirements in one flight, I don't think I would be able to provide the exact date and N number of the aircraft I did it in until I looked at my logbook, which is at home in my sock drawer

[gmcjetpilot]

Flight Time:

Military is airborne time.

Airline is Prk Brk Release/Pushback to Prk Brk set in gate (Inclds Taxi, holding short of gate waiting for it to open...)

Private/Part 91 Engine running? *

* You made more pilot decisions and did almost as much pilot stuff in 0.1 hours than 1.0 of boring holes in the sky on a sunny day. Obviously no To/Lndg logged. Do the Regs says for purpose of flight? I had to move a jet in Denver from Ramp to a Maintenance hanger I swear was in another state. It took +20 min due to the distance and having to hold short of active runways. There was full pilot stuff and communications and we know ground Ops requires full attention. I logged it. I suppose if you taxi in your RV to / from hanger and fuel pumps / wash rack, no I would not log it.

Renting Plane, "Runaway Hobbs Meter Emergency Procedure: Immediately Mixture to Cutoff, Master to Off, exit aircraft and run a way..... Ha ha.