VansAirForceForums  
Home > VansAirForceForums

-POSTING RULES
-Advertise in here!
- Today's Posts | Insert Pics

Keep VAF Going
w/a Donation






VAF on Twitter:
@VansAirForceNet

  #1  
Old 05-25-2023, 06:38 PM
nohoflyer nohoflyer is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 432
Default Electric flap weldement “play”

I’m installing the weldement which moves the flaps. I’ve secured them on the sides into the plastic, notched pivot blocks. The blocks screws have been tightened to the bulkhead.

My question is how easy should this thing move up and down? Because now it takes a few pounds of pressure to rotate it. What would be the solution? Widening the holes in the pivot blocks? Or is this normal?
__________________
RV-7A builder
A320 Capt at some airline
T-37/T-38/KC-135
C-177/172
Piper Warrior
2023 donator
Emp complete
Wings complete
Working on fuselage
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-25-2023, 07:14 PM
wirejock's Avatar
wirejock wirejock is online now
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Estes Park, CO
Posts: 6,213
Default Bolts

Quote:
Originally Posted by nohoflyer View Post
I’m installing the weldement which moves the flaps. I’ve secured them on the sides into the plastic, notched pivot blocks. The blocks screws have been tightened to the bulkhead.

My question is how easy should this thing move up and down? Because now it takes a few pounds of pressure to rotate it. What would be the solution? Widening the holes in the pivot blocks? Or is this normal?
I found it very tight as well. Curious what others have done.
The rudder weldment was also really snug so I used a drilled bolts and castleated nuts to get the tension perfect then pinned with cotter pins. I can always adjust them tighter.
__________________
Larry Larson
Estes Park, CO
E-mail: wirejock at yahoo dot com
Builder Blog: http://wirejockrv7a.blogspot.com
Donated 12/2022, plus a little extra.
RV-7A #73391, N511RV reserved
Disclaimer
I cannot be, nor will I be, held responsible if you try to do the same things I do and it does not work and/or causes you loss, injury, or even death in the process.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-25-2023, 10:47 PM
agent4573 agent4573 is online now
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Mountain view
Posts: 750
Default

Misread this at first... Have you put the center block in yet or just the ends?
__________________
www.rv7build.com - out of date, will be updated soon
N69ER - built and flying - 2022 Bronze Lindy

Last edited by agent4573 : 05-25-2023 at 10:49 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-25-2023, 10:56 PM
Tommy123 Tommy123 is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Naples fl
Posts: 370
Default

Get it completely assembled before modifying anything.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-26-2023, 06:11 AM
nohoflyer nohoflyer is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 432
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by agent4573 View Post
Misread this at first... Have you put the center block in yet or just the ends?
Right now just the ends. Although it seems that right now the weldement is under less friction than if another block is added to the equation
__________________
RV-7A builder
A320 Capt at some airline
T-37/T-38/KC-135
C-177/172
Piper Warrior
2023 donator
Emp complete
Wings complete
Working on fuselage

Last edited by nohoflyer : 05-26-2023 at 06:17 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-26-2023, 06:21 AM
lr172 lr172 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Schaumburg, IL
Posts: 8,414
Default

same here. A bit of work with sandpaper on your finger will relax the bore a bit for freer movement.
__________________
N64LR - RV-6A / IO-320, Flying as of 8/2015
N11LR - RV-10, Flying as of 12/2019
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-26-2023, 08:12 AM
bjdecker's Avatar
bjdecker bjdecker is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Georgetown, TX
Posts: 1,509
Default Different approach...

Instead of trying to "open the bore" of the UHMW blocks, I used a piece of fine emery cloth and "red" 3M scotchbrite pads to polish the ends and middle section of the flap torque tube (aka weldment).

From there I beveled the ends of the tube with a 45° chamfer, debured, and worked over with some 400grit wet/dry to smooth the tube ends.

I applied a light coat of Lithium wheel grease (white, water proof) to the polished sections of the tube. Place two AN960-10 washers in between the center bearing block halves (F-680) -- this makes up for the material removed when you slice the block in half. Torque all AN3 bolts to spec (~25inLbs).

The torque tube should hold its position without drifting down, but be easy enough to move by hand without any "grunt."

--- As an aside, I upgraded the flap push rods (F-759A) to the hex version from the RV-9 (VA-256) --- I know, I know, it won't work...
__________________
Brian Decker
RV-7 (Flying)

Last edited by bjdecker : 05-26-2023 at 08:16 AM. Reason: F-680 part call out
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-26-2023, 08:48 AM
HFS HFS is offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Lemoore, CA
Posts: 593
Default Longeron Alignment ?

You might also consider checking the side-to-side alignment of the supporting longerons. If the flanges to which the UHMW blocks are attached are not in good "alignment", the blocks will "tip" just enough to make the drag you are talking a about when they are tightened down. Also, you might check the fore and aft alignment of the blocks in their mounting holes in the longerons - if the blocks are not parallel when bolted down, you will create drag as well.

My Rocket, required such "shimming".

YMMV - But it is worth considering.

HFS
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-26-2023, 08:52 AM
PilotjohnS PilotjohnS is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Southwest, USA
Posts: 2,745
Default Just me

I did not need to do anything to my blocks, but I did have to remove some of the powder coat (paint) from the rod to get it free.

I would make sure the blocks are running on the steel flap shaft without any powder coat interference.
__________________
John S

WARNING! Information presented in this post is my opinion. All users of info have sole responsibility for determining accuracy or suitability for their use.

Dues paid 2023, worth every penny

RV9A- Status:
99.9% done
To Go: Cosmetic clean up and a few nutplates
www.pilotjohnsrv9.blogspot.com
or builders log here on VAF: Pilotjohns
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-26-2023, 09:16 AM
nohoflyer nohoflyer is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 432
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HFS View Post
You might also consider checking the side-to-side alignment of the supporting longerons. If the flanges to which the UHMW blocks are attached are not in good "alignment", the blocks will "tip" just enough to make the drag you are talking a about when they are tightened down. Also, you might check the fore and aft alignment of the blocks in their mounting holes in the longerons - if the blocks are not parallel when bolted down, you will create drag as well.

My Rocket, required such "shimming".

YMMV - But it is worth considering.

HFS
The blocks are bolted to a bulkhead not the longerons.
__________________
RV-7A builder
A320 Capt at some airline
T-37/T-38/KC-135
C-177/172
Piper Warrior
2023 donator
Emp complete
Wings complete
Working on fuselage
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:42 PM.


The VAFForums come to you courtesy Delta Romeo, LLC. By viewing and participating in them you agree to build your plane using standardized methods and practices and to fly it safely and in accordance with the laws governing the country you are located in.