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Old 08-04-2022, 03:14 PM
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Default Oshkosh mishap

On Sunday the 24th after holding for two and ahalf hours I was cleared to land on Rwy 27 - green dot. As I approached the green dot tower said: “ extend, extend.” I extended past the green dot then was told “land immediately and get on the brakes hard.” I immediately slammed on the runway, bounced a little and quickly got control of the aircraft. As I was slowing down tower said to “exit the runway immediately .” I asked: “which way - left or right” and the response I got was “it doesn’t matter just exit the runway.” I chose right - should have chosen left!

After clearing the runway onto the grass I picked up what appeared to be a marshaller who passed me off to another person with wands who directed me forward across the grass. It was soft grass from the previous night’s rain so I carried a little more speed than normal. Unfortunately there was a one foot unmarked concrete square with a steel topin the grass which I hit hard with the nose wheel. The aircraft pitched forward with the nose pointed down and the propeller digging an 8” to 10” trench in the grass. I pulled back my mixture, killed the engine and the airplane settled back to a normal three point stance. I sat there while people immediately drove up and gathered my composure.

The EAA representative said, “I’ve been doing this for 25 years and never seen that concrete square you found with your RV!” Just my luck!

Long story shortened, Myers Aviation towed my aircraft to their facility and my damage estimate is over $46K. Ouch! New CS Prop - installed $17.5+K, Engine removal, tear down inspection and governor overhaul $19.2K, repair/replace damage nose gear $3+K, repaint damage areas $1.4K, and reinstall engine another $3.6K.

Thank goodness for Global Aerospace Insurance through AOPA! Both their adjuster and Myers have been super to work with. My biggest headache so far is the loss of the aircraft for 4 to 5 months.

In a way this could be a blessing. I’m thinking about getting Popular Grove (tear down and inspection shop) to replace my Slick Mags with dual E-Mags since the cost difference to me will be reasonable and I’m also going to have them check my valve guides since the engine has over 500 hours since new and it’s relatively cheap to do it now during a tear down inspection.

I could really be upset about this but frankly everyone has been so great to deal with that it’s hard to be angry. Sometimes poop happens and you just have to deal with it.

I will say one thing, this will be the last time I try to fly into AirVenture on the weekend before the show. Last year was a similar zoo experience with having to re-enter the Endeavor Bridge point multiple times south of Portage before being cleared down track and this year involved 2.5 hours holding with AirVenture not talking to aircraft outside Endevor nor giving any guidance, aircraft not flying a minimum of 90 KIAS when past Endevor Bridge, aircraft cutting in front of you, and folks cluttering up the radio frequency.

From now on (if I go again) it will be arrive NLT the Friday before or fly into Appleton or Fond du Lac. The weekend arrival to OSH is getting just too dangerous!
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Old 08-04-2022, 03:21 PM
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I picked up what appeared to be a marshaller who passed me off to another person with wands who directed me forward across the grass.
I wonder if the person (S) directing you have any liability in this?
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Old 08-04-2022, 03:23 PM
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Really sorry to hear that Jim. I was sent to 27 too (Tuesday) and exited on the left. But really wondered what lay in wait in that grass. I'll bet the mowers know where the "stuff" is located.

On the good side Poplar Grove guys are excellent to work with. We are an hour SE and all the club and FBO overhauls go to them. Never a problem. (yet)


Mike, as a minimum, EAA grounds it would seem should review all the areas where planes are directed to ensure there aren't more like this and holes too.

Was there an official report with EAA?
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Old 08-04-2022, 04:19 PM
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And why the frenetic changes from ATC in the first place?

Sounds like you did everything you could have other than a go-around, and I'm sure the pressure NOT to do that was enormous. Glad you're okay, the plane can be fixed.
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Old 08-04-2022, 04:20 PM
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Your insurance may seek recovery through subrogation against the airport.

It's clear it was contemplated that aircraft would be taxiing across the area, the airport should have marked "exit lanes" or marked the obstacle.

FWIW
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Old 08-04-2022, 05:11 PM
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And why the frenetic changes from ATC in the first place?
Similar experience landing on 27 on Sunday. First controller said land on the numbers. Second controller (different gender so no mistake) sounded pissed I didn’t land past the green dot…as I was landing on the numbers. Same frantic call to exit immediately. Lesson learned for next year.
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Old 08-04-2022, 06:19 PM
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I wonder if the person (S) directing you have any liability in this?
That’s a dangerous road to go down if you want Oshkosh to continue to exist.

There were a large number of these new concrete covers installed all over the field this year and the parking crews were not warned of them in advance. We did our best to mark them and steer planes clear, but it is a big airport.
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Old 08-04-2022, 06:27 PM
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Sorry to hear it Jim but glad you’re ok. Live to fly another day!!
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Old 08-04-2022, 07:00 PM
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That’s a dangerous road to go down if you want Oshkosh to continue to exist.

There were a large number of these new concrete covers installed all over the field this year and the parking crews were not warned of them in advance. We did our best to mark them and steer planes clear, but it is a big airport.
The number ONE issue with this event is to process thousands of aircraft in a safe manner..... EAA FAILED on providing a safe procedure.

I have always been amazed at how well Oshkosh week functions and I expect this issue to be corrected. Because the next time this happens, there will be no excuses.

That runway is wide enough for a landing aircraft to pass (40 foot wing spans) a landed aircraft, if needed..... or just go around, but don't send the landed aircraft off into the weeds that have not been proven clear of obstacles.
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Old 08-04-2022, 07:22 PM
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Default Nobody knew where I should go

I had my HBP clearly marked (My wife was holding it up blocking my vision most of the time, but I can't say anything of course) And nobody knew which way I should proceed. (I arrived the Friday before Air Venture started so seems some had not been trained) This and the 2,300 ft. conga line (Cessna 172's - 180's) dropping down in front of me might convince me not to fly into AV again. It's a great event but flying in might not be an option in the future.
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