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Old 05-15-2022, 02:26 PM
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Default PH Aviation Flap Actuators

I think I owe an explanation to my clients regarding the recent introduction of the new RV-10 flap actuator by Vans Aircraft.

I became aware of the new Vans flap actuator last Friday when a thread appeared on VAF asking for wiring information on the new motor. Someone mentioned that they thought there was a possibility that PH Aviation was supplying the new actuators. We are not. As far as I can tell, Vans is acquiring them from the same supplier that I use, and it is basically the same actuator that we sell. The only difference that I see is that we machined a special endpiece that accepts the CM-4 rod-end bearing—the same one that Vans uses in their legacy flap motors on all the RVs, and the new Vans flap actuator uses the supplier’s stock setup, which is an endpiece with a ¼” lateral hole drilled through it. I am assuming that they have modified the brackets and the flap weldment to receive the new actuator.

I am a big fan of Vans Aircraft. I have built a number of their airplanes and worked on countless others of theirs. I am a supporter; I admire the company and their products. Like a lot of people, as I was building my RVs, I developed what I thought was a better mousetrap, and ended up making a few for other RV builders in the area, which eventually became a small hobby/business. When I developed the RV-10 Flap Actuator, I was fully aware that anyone could basically do the same thing, even Vans, and that someday they probably would. Honestly, I am delighted that Vans has come around to using this same flap actuator that I have been selling for years. Let’s face it, the old Vans flap motor had become a dinosaur and needed to be replaced! It was too expensive, did not stop at the ends of the stroke, and did not have an internal position feedback—not to mention the maintenance issues! I can honestly say that this is the best flap actuator available today for the job that it does. I am delighted that Vans now offers it.

When I heard the Vans announcement at Oshkosh last year about the RV-15 and the new flap actuator, I suspected that they might be on to the same actuator we use. We have had a tremendous response to it, and I knew Vans had probably become aware of its success. I even wrote Greg Hughes an email in support of it. I did not hear back, but I was not surprised because I know how busy those guys are. I’m not faulting them at all.

The new Vans actuator sells for $200—ours sells for $349. Obviously, Vans has a couple of things going for it: they can easily modify their production to accept the stock actuator setup with the hole in the end, which brings the cost way down. Plus, the economy of scale: they obviously are going to sell many more of these than we ever will. And I’m delighted that they are providing this improvement. It’s all about the success of the RV line of aircraft and I’m a supporter.

So where does that leave us in the picture? We enthusiastically support the new Vans flap actuator that appears to be standard in the new RV-10 kits now. They also have a retrofit option for older RV-10s. This is obviously going to be the best option for the RV-10 folks. We will continue to offer our version for as long as it remains useful for those single-digit (and RV-14) RVers that might want to retrofit with the new actuator but don’t necessarily want to modify their flap weldment. In other words, our version will continue to use the rod-end bearing so that it will match up with your current flap weldment.

Like I said, this is more a hobby than a business for me so where it goes from here is not a major concern of mine. I do want to continue to support my customers where I can. I really have had a good time doing this and want to thank my many customers for their support over the years.

So, if you took the time to read through to this point, thanks! And sorry for the longwinded explanation, but I do think I owed it to my customers.
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Old 05-15-2022, 05:25 PM
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Default Thank you for all you do

Pat,
Thank you for your support. I have one of your older actuators on my RV9A. I am not flying yet, but it is all set up. It integrates well with the Garmin G3X suite. You came out with this upgrade many years ago and it was easy and a no brainer to add it to my build as I got to that point in the build.
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Old 05-15-2022, 07:41 PM
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Default Ok. I'm in

My Van's flap motor failed yesterday... AGAIN! I've always been able to take it apart and clean it, but I'm tired of having to deal with it. I want a permanent solution. So I just ordered yours.

Thanks for supplying a superior product. As they say, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I'm glad Van saw the light for new kits.
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Old 05-16-2022, 03:59 AM
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Anyone heard any rumours on if the -14 will also get an updated flap motor weldment etc?

I am fairly close to ordering the PH max actuator - the fuselage is on the ocean at the moment on its way.
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Old 05-16-2022, 07:00 AM
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Pat, thank you for building a better mouse tap and I'm proud to have your product in our RV-10. I'm beyond impressed with your response to Van's vendor switch. Most would not take it gracefully. Again, thanks for improving the fleet!
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Old 05-17-2022, 06:21 AM
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Pat, thank you for building a better mouse tap and I'm proud to have your product in our RV-10. I'm beyond impressed with your response to Van's vendor switch. Most would not take it gracefully. Again, thanks for improving the fleet!
Totally agree with Chris! I too have your flap actuator in my 10. It's performed great for the 1st 280 hours! Your response reveals a LOT about your character!
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Old 05-17-2022, 06:44 AM
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You could still be successful with the 10k aircraft still out there, especially if you had a “drop in” retrofit kit for us.
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Old 05-17-2022, 07:32 AM
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You could still be successful with the 10k aircraft still out there, especially if you had a “drop in” retrofit kit for us.
Excellent point, Walt. And thanks to everyone else for all the positive comments. It really has been a blast interacting with all of you through the sale of my products. We'll see where this goes when the dust settles, but our plan is to keep offering the RV Max and we'll be working on some kind of retrofit kit that we might offer for each of the models.
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Old 05-17-2022, 02:25 PM
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It is about now that Greg should step in and say something.......

Just saying
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Old 05-17-2022, 03:48 PM
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It is about now that Greg should step in and say something.......

Just saying
he is to busy finding a better flap actuator for the RV 15. maybe that will be an "Armstrong" brand in keeping with the back country theme.

Electronics, we don't need no stinking electronics. and hand propping an io 390
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RV9A- Status:
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Electrical/Panel done
Firewall Forward 95% done less baffles and airbox
Fiberglass 95%
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