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Panel Preview. The right side gets an Ipad. Very Simple IFR panel.
G3X, G5, GMC507, GNX375.

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Okay time to roll out V 0.2:

I replaced everything on the 'panel' and this time I have my G5, GSU 25 and a couple other can bus goodies hooked up. The only thing I didn't replace was the, 'Master' switch :D

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Got the panel put together

Nothing is wired yet but I cut the panels, covered them in flat black vinyl wrap, and labeled them. Then I got everything mounted. Tada!

Thanks to Jared Solomon for the inspiration on this (Okay... I more or less just copied his panel with a couple minor changes. It's hard to argue with success. :p)

Let me know what you think.

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V 0.5

Okay finally something that doesn't look hokie. The G3X is so damned sweet. I even have my right wing hooked up (which was the point of the exercise to begin with). I wanted to at least crappily calibrate my magnetometer. Rain prevented that but who cares!

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Note the oh so eloquently mounted temp circuit panel.

I'm very happy with my choice to do all of the plane wiring myself.
It's not easy but its a blast getting back into wiring again. I used to
run miles of ethernet in stuffy attics before wifi was a thing and you
wanted to get your house, 'plugged in'... this is much more fun.

That being said... welcome to my own lil personal hell:
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Another new RV-14 IFR AdvancedPanel. AF-5600 EFIS PFD-MFD, Avidyne IFD440, PS Engineering PDA360 Remote Audio Panel and Dynon Com Radio.

Van's just finished upgrading their original RV-14A to a Dynon HDX AdvancedPanel with our ACM-ECB. Van's factory RV-14A, RV-14, RV-7, RV-7A and RV-9A all have AdvancedPanels with our ACM-ECB.

Our plug-and-play AdvancedPanels are surprisingly affordable. We'd love to quote one for you.

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Rob Hickman
N402RH RV-10
Advanced Flight Systems / Dynon Avionics
 
Garmin G3X Panel by SteinAir

Here's our G3X panel that was just shipped the end of last week from SteinAir. Needless to say SteinAir was absolutely fantastic to work with (again) and their workmanship is outstanding. Here are a few details about the panel and electrical system:

Dual G3X Touch w/ G5 Backup
GTN 650Xi
GTR-20 Remote Radio
GTX-45R Remote ADS-B Transponder
VPX
SiriusXM
IBBS
Plane Power 30A backup Alternator
AOA Pitot Tube
3 Axis Garmin Autopilot with Pitch and Roll Trim Servos
GMC-507 AP Control Panel
GMA-245 Audio Panel
CPi-2 Dual CPU Ignition w/ Backup Battery
ZipTips Wingtip Lighting and PosiStobe on the tail
Par36 Leading Edge Landing Lights

The 4 breakers on the right side of the panel are for the CPi-2 ignition system (2 CPUs and 2 coilpacks). SDS recommends using regular breakers instead of the VPX system to provide power to their system, and we were running short on VPX breakers anyway. The switch labeled "Spare" in the panel will be re-labled "Lean Mode" and will toggle the CPi-2 system into LOP mode advancing the ignition timing (same as pressing the LOP mode button on the controller).

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Here is a pic of my panel. I received it from Steinair about 3 weeks ago and immediately got to work. Steinair was great to work with and answered all of my dumb questions throughout the process. Highly recommended!

Details are:

Dual G3x touch displays
Garmin GTN 750xi
Backup Garmin G5
GMC-507 Autopilot
GTR-20 Remote radio
GTX-45R Remote ADSB in/out transponder
GMA-245 Remote audio panel
IBBS Backup battery
VTX-pro
GD-40 CO detector
GI-260 AOA

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Another Avionics Systems RV-14 panel

Another one of our ready to install RV-14 instrument panels, this one with the best of everything from Garmin: dual G3X Touch, GTN-750xi, GTR-200 com, GMA-245R audio panel, GTX-45R transponder with ADS-B, autopilot, G5, and TCW standby battery system. This airplane recently started flying and this owner is looking forward to a lot of flying behind his state of the art Garmin avionics.
 

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I can't say enough good things about Dave & Avionics Systems. They've done two panels for my RV-7's over the years and are about to do an RV-14.

Very professional, attentive, thorough and service oriented. ++ Recommend.

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seeking panel planning resources

I am starting to collect ideas for my RV-14 panel. I am leaning towards Garmin Avionics. This thread looks like a great resource, I have a few questions.

A lot of posts have pictures that are no longer visible and used a website that as far as I can tell is defunct. (tinypic). Is there any way to still see these images? Or is there a different archive for these images?

I have been told by other builders that installing the A/P servos during construction of the wing/fuselage is preferred. So I guess a first step is to decide on which brand of Avionics will drive the servos and go with that brand?

I see a few posts reference a tool called "panel planner". Can someone point me to this program.

I understand there are businesses who will design and or build a panel and harness for you. I have some electrical and avionics experience (used to be a maintainer in AF). Opinions on this option are welcome.

I have also heard of a workshop on wiring/building harnesses is offered somewhere. Any experience or info is welcome.

Thanks in advance for any help

Any other advice is welcome
 
Aerotronics Recommendation

Should you decide to let someone else do all the work, I HIGHLY recommend Aerotronics. http://www.aerotronics.com/

Jason and Andre's customer service are second to none. They will totally design layout and wiring and build to perfection. I am so happy with my panel after Phase 1 testing. I wouldn't change a thing! It always cost more to have someone do it for you VS DIY, but in this important area, leaving it to experts is a great way to go.

Here's my panel (in RV10)
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I also went with Aerotronics and agree totally with previous post by Randy.
 

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Another Aerotronics fan. However, in my case I worked with Jason on the layout (and ultimately the panel cutout and labeling) but I did the design and wiring myself. I had never done anything like this before (but then I never built an airplane before either), and I found doing the avionics one of the most enjoyable parts of the project. It’s definitely not for everyone - it takes a lot of patience, and a very good attention-to- detail personality.
 

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Heres my Aerotronics panel.
 

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glass panel RV14A N448WP

All Dynon panel with wiring help from Stein. Fortunately I have some great friends at KDVT that give me advice to get it right. The autopilot is an amazing tool that fly's the plane much better than I ever could
 

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All Dynon panel with wiring help from Stein. Fortunately I have some great friends at KDVT that give me advice to get it right. The autopilot is an amazing tool that fly's the plane much better than I ever could

Very nice, but I'm curious about the 23 kt difference in groundspeed between the Dynon and ForeFlight. Calibration error?
 
EFIS compass

Hello all,

I received this from the MDRA a couple of years ago when building my RV8.

"EFIS compass is equivalent to a wet compass. However it must be supplied by an alternate power supply in case of an electric power failure. Most EFIS suppliers come with it or can be ordered with standby power. "

I finished my 8 without a whiskey compass and still meet the CAR's requirements.

Cheers

Andrew
 
ipad mount

Ram mount from aircraft spruce with a 6 inch extension. I also have a 2 and 4 inch extension. Allows me to adjust so that I get less glare. I used a ball mount for the panel and also for the back of the ipad holder. Jerry
 
Panel Mocked Up

Painted the sub panel last night. First mock up of panel with model avionics. I hope everything fits between the panel and the sub panel.

We'll see.
 

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"Finally" Decided on Panel

Quotes are obligatory, of course.

Anyway, I've decided to stick with a split Master/Alt switch, conventional Ignition with L/R/Both/Start and two Pmag switches to test the Pmags. Since Dynon says avionics can be on during start, the avionics switch is next to the Master/Alt.

I Think I will gang the nav/strobes on one DPDT switch and the taxi/landing on one, as well. Then the flaps and fuel boost pump will be over by the engine controls. Two USB and the ELT will be on the right by the copilot EFIS.

Oh, and the primary EFIS will probably move a bit to the right to give a bit more room for the five switches on the left.
 

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Changed My Mind.....AGAIN!

So, I 'think' I have decided to simplify the switches instead of ganging multiple functions into single switches. Originally, I was thinking fewer switches would be better on the front, but now, I think I would prefer individual switches for specific functions.

This means taking up more space on the front, but there is room to do it. So, I think it will make it easier for me to remember what each switch does.

The logic, so far, is that start up operations are clustered on the far left, when my left hand is not occupied with the stick. Lights, fuel pump and flaps are on the right above throttle, mixture and prop when my left is busy with the stick.

Anyway, take a look and give me your thoughts on how manageable you think this is. I appreciate your opinions since most of you have WAY more experience than I do.
 

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I would combine the master and alt into one three position switch. Off - Batt - Alt & Batt.

I prefer no Avionics switch but my system prevents brown outs which is a problem for some setups.

I turn on power as soon as I get in the airplane which means that all the avionics power on and stay on until after engine shutdown.
 
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From Foam to First Metal

I mounted the avionics in the center panel yesterday after one glitch that cost me a day. The Dynon template for the Intercom Panel is too large so the unit was closer to the Com Panel than the other avionics. Oh well, the second try only took 4 hrs.

Fabricated my own canopy jettison handle because I wanted it centered on the panel instead of off to the starboard side. Also, made it smaller to take up less room and make it harder to pull in error by a curious passenger. It's also labeled 'Passenger Ejection Seat' to discourage accidental deployment.

Moved USB slots to pilot side and still need a switch for panel lights.

Question, though:

What are folks putting in the two holes below the throttle, prop and mixture? Alt air comes to mind. What about the other one?
 

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One is for Alternate Air and I believe the other is for the cowl exit flap.

I mounted the avionics in the center panel yesterday after one glitch that cost me a day. The Dynon template for the Intercom Panel is too large so the unit was closer to the Com Panel than the other avionics. Oh well, the second try only took 4 hrs.

Fabricated my own canopy jettison handle because I wanted it centered on the panel instead of off to the starboard side. Also, made it smaller to take up less room and make it harder to pull in error by a curious passenger. It's also labeled 'Passenger Ejection Seat' to discourage accidental deployment.

Moved USB slots to pilot side and still need a switch for panel lights.

Question, though:

What are folks putting in the two holes below the throttle, prop and mixture? Alt air comes to mind. What about the other one?
 
'Final' Version of Panel?

OK, chime in everyone. This is what I am planning for my panel (except the foam will be replaced with AL and the hand painted labels will be in some cool font that is easy to read. More advice on this later) unless you have compelling arguments against. Remember, this is a consensus airplane! :D
 

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working with the panel

Good move to break the trend and move the clunky Garmin autopilot box down low. Along the same line, I suggest you reverse the Audio Panel and GTN-650 so the GTN-650 is on top. If the GTN-650 is too deep to go on top, then just move the Audio Panel and GTN-650 up as high as possible. The GTN-650 moving map is not very useful (and what you need to see is on your EFIS Moving Map display anyway) but when you need to fat finger in the latest controller revised routing, having it up high makes it easier to see.

Carl
 
Probably most RV-14 panels have a 10" display on the left and another one on the right side. In the center some radios, GPS, audio etc.

I am wondering, are you really using the right hand side 10" display as an MFD or is it placed too far to the right?
From looking at the pictures I can imagine that the pilot does not really use anything that's right of the central radio stack.
In a G1000 setup the second screen (MFD) is much nearer to the PFD and can be reached more easily.

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Is this configuration possible with the RV-14? I remember there are struts around the center stack in behind the panel, right?
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Probably most RV-14 panels have a 10" display on the left and another one on the right side. In the center some radios, GPS, audio etc.

I am wondering, are you really using the right hand side 10" display as an MFD or is it placed too far to the right?
From looking at the pictures I can imagine that the pilot does not really use anything that's right of the central radio stack.
In a G1000 setup the second screen (MFD) is much nearer to the PFD and can be reached more easily.

Edit:
Is this configuration possible with the RV-14? I remember there are struts around the center stack in behind the panel, right?
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Malte

I use the 10" screen on the right side all of the time. Usually I keep up weather or destination airport information data or just an expanded chart (VFR or IFR) enroute. As far as the center position, you will need to remove center stack structure.
 

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On the RV-9A, I run split screens on both sides. One reason, of course, is to have more windows. But there's more to it.

If you look at the information content of maps and the PFD, almost all the useful information is in the center of the window. If you run split screens on the right screen, it moves that most useful information to the left, closer to the pilot.

And I almost never run full screen on the left side for the PFD. All of that screen space outside of the tapes has very little useful information, just extensions of the horizon. The two little windows, bottom left and right, are too small to show as much as I'd like, and they're limited in what data can be shown and clunky to switch the data displayed. Besides, when you touch one to expand it, it takes up half the screen anyway.

And I run round dials. I've never found a technical report comparing tapes and dials. Round dials are as good as tapes in some situations, better than tapes in the rest, but that's another topic for another thread.

I bought my plane already flying, and it was too much hassle to get the G5 out of the center of the panel, but here's how I almost always subdivide my screens. And no idea why google images was uncooperative...
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Good move to break the trend and move the clunky Garmin autopilot box down low... (referring to the GTN650) need to fat finger in the latest controller revised routing, having it up high makes it easier to see.

My experience is different. Having the autopilot up top means that your eye motion is horizontal whereas putting the autopilot on the bottom of the stack requires a vertical eye motion which is to be avoided whenever possible, especially IFR. I find that the Heading and Altitude knobs are very accessible on the top of the stack with no interference from the power controls. Having spent quite some time analyzing bizjet autopilot controllers, the Garmin controller is free of many deficiencies of those bizjet controllers. Thus, I have no idea what makes the autopilot controller "clunky."

In my plane, the GTN was installed (before I bought the plane) in the middle of the stack but at least it's not at the bottom.

There's a whole lot of personal preference that goes into these kinds of panel discussions, some of it consistent with good user interface practices, some not. Often, personal preference is driven by past experience, both good and bad. Just to make things interesting, there are no obvious right and wrong answers, until some day some corner condition leads to an accident.
 
Probably most RV-14 panels have a 10" display on the left and another one on the right side. In the center some radios, GPS, audio etc.

I am wondering, are you really using the right hand side 10" display as an MFD or is it placed too far to the right?
From looking at the pictures I can imagine that the pilot does not really use anything that's right of the central radio stack.
In a G1000 setup the second screen (MFD) is much nearer to the PFD and can be reached more easily.

Edit:
Is this configuration possible with the RV-14? I remember there are struts around the center stack in behind the panel, right?
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Malte

Good question! I wonder how much of a re-engineering job it would be?

Does anybody have any info?

F
 
To be honest .. I've never used the second screen, everything on the Garmin is so well organized on the PFD. The MFD is to give passengers something to play with/look at.

I would still do it again, because the panel would look silly to me now without the second screen.
 
To be honest .. I've never used the second screen, everything on the Garmin is so well organized on the PFD. The MFD is to give passengers something to play with/look at.

That's exactly what I thought.
You use the PFD in split-screen mode? Do you fly IFR?

Malte
 
One thing to consider - With the co-pilot side MFD in split-screen, a pilot/passenger has a usable artificial horizon display like on the pilot (PFD) side. Nice, if your pilot/passenger wants to fly.
 
I'm nowhere near the point of building a panel, but my wife will be in the right seat often, when I fly. Does anybody ever consider "entertainment" for the right side of the panel?
 
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