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02-09-2022, 11:03 PM
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No need to "smell" a scammer. Do your homework.
To prevent getting scammed do what people do normally when checking credit. Don't rely on price. Get copies of photo id, agreements in writing. Use an escrow agent (Aerotitle I use for $400 for larger transactions) and that will filter out about 98% of the problems.
Get three references and call them. That will handle the last 2% and it will give you some great sense of the transaction instead of a nagging worry that things are still not right.
I did a GTN transaction from a member of my website that I knew and it was being upgraded to an Xi this summer. He was still very methodical and by-the-book. He took copies of 3 pieces of photo ID, executed a contract, had me sign a receipt and acknowledge the packing slip. He had a PO from a dealer and verified the seller with three parties and spoke to everyone on the phone before I got there.
How many scammers are going to endure even the email outlining that as a condition? That's how to do your homework. Anything less is your own laziness.
Use paypal and pay the fees for buyer protection or use escrow for distant and large transactions where delivery is out of your control. Demand better checks and references as a policy when buying and expect them when selling.
paul miller
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02-10-2022, 06:36 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Thunder Bay Ontario
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If the item is near by or easily traveled to, just go get it in person. Buying a $5000 piece of avionics, I'd rather see it in person anyway.
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02-21-2022, 09:55 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Creixell
Posts: 10
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Scammer report
This scammer claims to be able to sell you anything you ask.
bosgarage57@hotmail.com
Beware
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02-21-2022, 03:49 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: Westlake Village, Ca
Posts: 4
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2/21/22
I just responded to an used RV12 kit for sale in Santa Clarita Ca. from this email address: antietamsgunshop@gmail.com
The info said "Selling my plane stuffs"
Location - Newyork
Payment - Cashapp/Venmo/Zelle/Western union
Same cancer story, and when I received an email back they said the kit is in "N. Carolina".
Anyway, too weird for me. Be careful.
Best,
Mark C.
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02-21-2022, 04:36 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Battle Ground WA
Posts: 738
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Got the same gunshop email yesterday. I guess somebody needs to take a gun to the perp.
Well that is kinda mean, But ?????
My three cents worth Art
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02-28-2022, 03:42 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Germantown, MD
Posts: 80
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Don't sell without escrow
We are getting a fair amount of inquiries regarding our RV-8 for sale. Some of them show great interest, appear to know quite a bit out the RV's, but one question they ask is 'do you use an escrow company'. As soon as we say 'yes', communication stops.....
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03-02-2022, 07:20 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: SE Florida
Posts: 1,672
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Stolen email addresses
FYI,
Most often, the scammer is using the email address of a person or business that they have tricked into giving info to take control of that email address. This happened to me about 18 months ago. I nearly fell for the trick. This most commonly happens to gmail accounts.
Once they know your email address, they contact the provider [gmail, hotmail, etc] pretending to be you. They say that they have forgotten their [your] password.
The email provider texts you with a code, to verify it's you. They text you on some pretext [usually that they are from the email provider], asking for the code. If you give it to them, they change your password, locking you out and they "own" your email address. They use your email address until it gets reported, then simply move on to someone else who falls for this.
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03-02-2022, 10:24 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 468
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Quote:
Originally Posted by paulmiller
Use paypal and pay the fees for buyer protection or use escrow for distant and large transactions where delivery is out of your control. Demand better checks and references as a policy when buying and expect them when selling.
LancairTalk.net
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Actually PayPal doesn’t have any teeth. They say contact the seller and try to work it out with them. Unfortunately PayPal is a false sense of security. As soon as the seller gets paid they withdraw the money from their acct
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03-10-2022, 10:05 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Tellico Plains, TN
Posts: 585
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Has anyone else received a similar message in response to a wanted ad you placed?
Hey, did you find any ? . In case you haven't found anything yet ,Give NAME ( NAME@protonmail.com ) a jingle,might be able to help out.
I've received two of these in the last month or so, for different items I was looking for. Both came from the same user (Robdana9) with no posts. The name was different in each, but the wording and spacing were identical. Protonmail is mostly known for it's completely anonymous accounts, so it's the perfect platform to work from. I'm not 100% sure it's a scam since I didn't follow up on it, but my scam-o-meter is certainly going off:-)
Cheers,
Rusty
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03-10-2022, 10:18 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Idaho ID40
Posts: 853
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 13brv3
Has anyone else received a similar message in response to a wanted ad you placed?
Hey, did you find any ? . In case you haven't found anything yet ,Give NAME ( NAME@protonmail.com ) a jingle,might be able to help out.
I've received two of these in the last month or so, for different items I was looking for. Both came from the same user (Robdana9) with no posts. The name was different in each, but the wording and spacing were identical. Protonmail is mostly known for it's completely anonymous accounts, so it's the perfect platform to work from. I'm not 100% sure it's a scam since I didn't follow up on it, but my scam-o-meter is certainly going off:-)
Cheers,
Rusty
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I just got one from this user, a response from my WTB post. The person I'm to contact is: Gerrydutton@protonmail.com. Very likely a scam. I'll post back on an update.
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