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Old 06-06-2023, 12:50 PM
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I believe that Cap is for noise filtering. Rotax require one for radio interference.
That's correct. I had one fail in the air just after takeoff on climb out. There was a bang and the cabin filled with smoke. I declared an emergency, turned the master switch off and landed. This was in my Kitfox IV with a rotax 912 ULS. There wasn't much left of the capacitor. I replaced the capacitor and placed the new one forward of the firewall. The original one was aft of the firewall per the kit instructions.

I bought the replacement from ACS and it was much better quality than the one that came with the kit.

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Old 06-06-2023, 05:37 PM
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That's good to know. Fortunately ours occurred on the ground during runup..still smoke in the cockpit is a bit disconcerting.
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Old 06-25-2023, 04:10 PM
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Here's the one that failed. Have the new one installed but haven't powered anything up yet...felt like 110 degrees in hanger and my limit is 105. I trimmed the leads off to make it easier to remove from board.
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Old 06-25-2023, 06:52 PM
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Can someone with elec knowledge say what the likely cause of capacitor failure is? Age of component, excess current, heat, temp cycles, humidity, mfgr defect, etc, etc....
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Old 08-18-2023, 06:45 PM
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Talked to a friend of mine who does a lot of this work and he said that mostly it's combination of heat and age. He was not surprised that it failed after being in service for 10+ years. YMMV....
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Old 08-19-2023, 08:56 AM
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Can someone with elec knowledge say what the likely cause of capacitor failure is? Age of component, excess current, heat, temp cycles, humidity, mfgr defect, etc, etc....
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All capacitors are two metal plates with an insulator (dielectric) between them. Capacitance is proportional to the area of the plates and the distance between them. Bigger plates... more capacitance. Closer together... more capacitance.

Capacitors have several roles but when used for noise filtering bigger is better. The two ways to have more capacitance is bigger plates or put them closer together. Making them bigger has its limitations so there are several techniques for getting the plates close together and, very importantly, without touching each other.

Most large DC filtering capacitors are electrolytic capacitors. These are made with two aluminum foil sheets with an electrolyte gel between them. The insulator between the plates is a very thing coat of oxide on one of the foil sheets. The gel conducts electricity. So in effect what you have is two capacitor plates that are separated in distance by only that thin oxide coat.

So what kind of failure modes does an electrolytic capacitor exhibit? The primary type of failure is always leakage current between the plates. Remember, they are supposed to be insulated from each other.
  • Mechanical damage can cause the plates to touch. Go easy on that zip tie holding the capacitor in place!
  • The oxide layer is pretty thin so too much voltage can cause current to tunnel through the insulating oxide.
  • Something like reverse polarity can cause the oxide layer to break down.
  • Heat is always hard on electrical components. Most electrolytic caps that I have used seem to be pretty heat tolerant, though. It would be worth looking at the data sheet for the cap to see what it says about heat range.

When a capacitor starts leaking current it may get hot if there is enough current. One amp of leakage current at 12 volts is 12 watts of heat. That is more than enough to make a cap get hot. When the cap gets hot enough it explodes.

It is hard to say why your capacitor failed. I mostly worry about over-voltage because I've blown a few that way. If you have a 12 volt system don't put in a 15 volt capacitor. If you have noise spikes you may regularly have higher voltages spikes that punch holes in the dielectric oxide. Over time the damage accumulates. In a high impulsive noise environment I wonder if it would be prudent to have TVS diode in parallel to limit noise spikes to something the filter capacitor can tolerate.

One final word. I have an HVAC guy that regularly comes to the house. He pulls the compressor starter cap and "tests" it by measuring the capacitance. That never seemed like a terribly effective way to test a capacitor to me. The capacitance is set by the physics. I.e plate size and oxide thickness. Maybe if the measured capacitance goes up significantly you could say the oxide is getting generally thinner but I've never seen that happen. Instead a much better way to judge the health of a filter capacitor is to measure the leakage current and especially at what voltage you start to get significant leakage current. But that take more than just a hand held multi-meter.
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Old 08-20-2023, 04:11 AM
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Talked to a friend of mine who does a lot of this work and he said that mostly it's combination of heat and age. He was not surprised that it failed after being in service for 10+ years. YMMV....
Rick
Hey Rick, Unless I missed it, I never saw a post that mentioned whether that new capasiter fixed your electrical problem or not. Would appreciate your comments. Thanks.........Tom
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Old 08-27-2023, 04:17 PM
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Hey Rick, Unless I missed it, I never saw a post that mentioned whether that new capasiter fixed your electrical problem or not. Would appreciate your comments. Thanks.........Tom
It did. Sorry I thought I updated that. It was actually an easier fix than I made it. I did it the hard way and removed the entire board when I could have replaced the capacitor in place. Live and learn...
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