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Old 11-02-2022, 06:10 AM
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i bought a 50 gallon tank mounted on a small trailer with a 12 volt pump and all the trimmings. originally i thought i would haul it to the gas station but what i am doing and it is the easiest for me is to bring 5 gallons whenever i go to the airport. the can sits firmly on the 50 gal. tank so it is easy and no mess or risk to use a jiggle hose and dump it into the 50 gal tank. when i fuel the plane i pump from the 50 gal tank. fuel is filtered and no risk of damaging skin of airplane.
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Old 11-02-2022, 08:11 AM
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I don’t think that it’s rigidly enforced, but somewhere in the lease agreement at the airport where I rent my hangar is a clause which prohibits storing fuel in there. I don’t think that that is a rare prohibition at some hangars.
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Old 11-02-2022, 08:41 AM
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that's true. probably could be extended to 5 gal jugs too, depending on the management.
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Old 11-02-2022, 11:28 AM
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I fly out of Redlands Ca, hot in the summer. I use Costco 91 octane and check every jug for alcohol content. Typically it is 7 - 8% year round. On long flights I hit 10,000 - 11,000’ and have never had a vapor lock issue.
Vapor lock at altitude is a manageable problem... Vapor lock on takeoff can result in a very bad day. Pay attention to heat-soak on the ground. I had vapor lock in early spring (winter fuel) on a warm day. Repeated takeoff / landings with long downwind taxi. Engine decided it wanted to quit making power at about 400’ AGL. 912 ULS tried to shake itself loose from the airframe and almost succeeded. Gets your full attention really quick….

I shouldn’t speculate… but I would bet money that several RV-12 takeoff accidents can be attributed to vapor lock. Difficult for NTSB to prove… Fuel lines run on top side of hot engine – not a problem in cruise flight, but ground ops need extra care and planning.
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Old 11-02-2022, 11:57 AM
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You are correct, anything out of the ordinary is more dangerous at low altitude.
I mentioned the high altitude no vapor lock because of what Bob Y said, “Higher RVP, lower octane and increased altitude are ingredients for vapor lock or fuel pump inlet cavitation”
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Old 11-02-2022, 07:53 PM
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Old 11-02-2022, 08:22 PM
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that's true. probably could be extended to 5 gal jugs too, depending on the management.
They freaked out (a little) even over the 5 gallons of kerosene I was storing for the bullet heater I was using to warm my hangar enough to work on stuff in the winter. They freaked out even more about the actual bullet heater. Not a major freakout about the kerosene...just a "we are concerned..." sort of freakout.
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Old 11-02-2022, 10:16 PM
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My friend stores 40 gallons of 100ll in his hanger. He keeps it in aluminum tanks in the wings of his Mooney, oh wait that’s safer😂.
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Old 11-02-2022, 10:48 PM
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My friend stores 40 gallons of 100ll in his hanger. He keeps it in aluminum tanks in the wings of his Mooney, oh wait that’s safer😂.
That’s different, I guess. Their rules…not my hangar
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Old 11-03-2022, 06:48 AM
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[quote=Piper J3;1643909]Use high quality fuel containers and 15-gal FLO-FAST container and hand-pump. I have been using Costco 93E10 for a least 500 hrs. Costco is top tier fuel supplier.

Out of curiosity, why do you transfer the fuel from the 5 gallon containers to the 15 gallon container before transferring it to the fuel tank rather than transferring it from the 5 gallon containers to the fuel tank?

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