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Old 09-05-2013, 05:55 PM
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Default Hartzell Composite Blade Clearance - help!

The wide cord on the Hartzell composite blade results in an issue. It appears that in the low pitch mode (10deg) that the back side of the blade is 7/8" from the front of the SJ cowl. The high pitch is 27.5deg and the cord at this point is 8 inches. By calculation, going to high pitch will move the back side of that blade 1.15". Soooo, I need to create some clearance, and it may get worse with the inlet rings installed.

Options:
1. cut the cowl just behind the spinner and move everything back .6 inches.
(my favorite)

2. somehow move the cooling inlets back .6 inches.

3. extend the spinner .6 and move the entire cowl back, yes 0.6 inches.

4. Other??

What have others done to address this issue?
BTW- I have the 2.5 in extension to reduce cowl interference possibilities.
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Old 09-05-2013, 06:53 PM
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Use some air pressure to move the blades to coarse pitch and physically check. Doing the numbers in my head I get about the same answer (a little over an inch) but this movement will be in an arc, partly aft and partly down.
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Old 09-05-2013, 07:11 PM
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I recall seeing something about Hartzell limiting the low pitch stop to prevent this. I would check with them first.
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Old 09-05-2013, 07:21 PM
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Bill.
Is the cowl top fit????

Do that first.
The rings won't go farther than the cowl fiberglass .

You can adjust the clearance between the spinner and cowl.

What I see in the pick the cowl needs to go down .25 to .50 for engine sag.
That will move it back a little.

Hope it helps.

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Old 09-05-2013, 07:56 PM
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Use some air pressure to move the blades to coarse pitch and physically check. Doing the numbers in my head I get about the same answer (a little over an inch) but this movement will be in an arc, partly aft and partly down.
Bob, I was going to make a handle and twist them, but I like the air pressure idea, do I just pressurize where the oil line goes to the front of the crankcase?

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I recall seeing something about Hartzell limiting the low pitch stop to prevent this. I would check with them first.
Yes, Walt, I will contact them, but heard that this was not a recommended permanent fix. I don't know why.
ref: http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...t=51841&page=2

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Bill.
Is the cowl top fit????

Do that first.
The rings won't go farther than the cowl fiberglass .

You can adjust the clearance between the spinner and cowl.

What I see in the pick the cowl needs to go down .25 to .50 for engine sag.
That will move it back a little.

Hope it helps.

Boomer
Boomer, No, the cowl is just sitting there about with a 1/4" gap from the spinner. Glad to hear the rings won't protrude more. The 1.15" is the horizontal component of travel, so with 1/4" clearance at full pitch, then I still need .6, maybe I can squeak some here and there to reduce it. I could add a 1/4" to the flat behind the spinner, too. Maybe the axis of rotation is not in the center of the cord.

The cowl fitting is next as i want to rivet the Skybolt tabs down the side of the fuse with the engine off. With many of these just supplied by Hartzell to the aerobatic team, I hoped to get some information on their solutions too. Per postings, they did limit the travel on some.
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Old 09-05-2013, 08:45 PM
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If you elect to mod the cowl, it will be easy to move the cowl rearward and extend the section behind the spinner.
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Old 09-05-2013, 08:52 PM
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If you elect to mod the cowl, it will be easy to move the cowl rearward and extend the section behind the spinner.
gets my vote. get the correct clearance at the inlets, then moving the spinner flange forward will be the easiest fix.
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Old 09-06-2013, 01:36 AM
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  1. Ensure the Prop has been setup for "RVs" by Hartzell / Prop Shop i.e. limiting the Coarse Pitch Stop
  2. Certainly with us, Hartzell made sure we had the "standard (Vans) cowl"
  3. The "problem" area is RHS mainly, at the furthest outboard point of the cowl. Is the SJ cowl "wider" at the OB point (as well as further forward?)
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Old 09-06-2013, 05:45 AM
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Bill, you have made the best choice for a propeller. At this stage in the process you have many options to get the spacing needed.

1. Shimm the spinner back place the maximum amount aft prior to cutting your cowl.
2. Trim for clearence on the right edge of the cowl if needed.
3. Have a friend help you twist the blade when mounted on the engine,
You neede a minimum of 3/8 twisted with 1/2 " to be optimum.
4. Some one suggested a lower pitch stop, I would not recommend this, you actuall want more pitch here.

Our team just partnered with Hartzell installed these props on all of our planes, they are fantastic
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Old 09-06-2013, 10:40 AM
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Move the cowl back and leave the spinner alone. I see so many people struggle getting the cowl off and on during maintenance because they only have 1/8" or 1/4" space between the spinner and the cowl. Give yourself about 1/2" and it will make life a lot easier in the long run. The T-6 Texan II I used to fly had more than an inch!

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