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Old 04-16-2021, 08:15 PM
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1.5 million to avoid 77 potential liability claims seems like a good deal to me.

It seems to me like Superior would have a host of liability issues at hand if you flew and it broke. The 1.5 million would be money well spent. Business guys know this. I bet they don't have the money....or the Chinese who one Superior wont part with it....yet.
Liable for what? I have never heard of any manufacturer of EXPERIMENTAL airplane components being sued successfully. I thought that was the whole point from an experimental parts manufacturer perspective and why the experimental engines are much cheaper.

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Old 04-17-2021, 10:12 AM
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So as an experimental can someone legally fly an AD tagged power plant? If so it’s up to the owner to determine if they want to entertain that risk and if it affects insurability. Obviously resale value is affected. Sorry for those impacted this sucks.
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Old 04-17-2021, 10:45 AM
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Liable for what? I have never heard of any manufacturer of EXPERIMENTAL airplane components being sued successfully. I thought that was the whole point from an experimental parts manufacturer perspective and why the experimental engines are much cheaper.

Oliver
I'm not the one claiming they manufactured bad cranks....its the FAA. Now they wont even communicate with you guys about it. Will your DAR deem your project as airworthy with a known AD on the crank? It just seems to me like a court of law with a jury of my peers would be sympathetic at some point in time. But I am sure your right....I seldom am.

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Old 04-17-2021, 12:26 PM
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If this went to court, wouldn’t their liability insurance company be defending them? And wouldn’t they rather settle out of court than risk losing a lot more in court or a whole lot more if one of these cranks causes a crash and injury or death? I don’t have one of these engines but am just wondering.
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Old 04-17-2021, 01:18 PM
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This event somewhat parallels the XP-400 crank problem that Superior had a few years ago.
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Old 04-19-2021, 11:48 AM
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I went by the Superior booth and talked to Bill Ross and the other guys from Superior. They once again assured me that they are just waiting on the FAA to approve the AMOC. Bill recommended that I remove my crank and he would send me a shipping box to get it to them. He said that would get me in line and I should get my crank back within two weeks after the AMOC is approved.
Thats not happening.
I told him I had no interest in tearing down my engine until they assured me the AMOC is approved.
Standing by to stand by....
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Old 04-19-2021, 02:41 PM
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Based on the below post, I withdraw my comment and await to see how this situation unfolds. Hopefully, Superior will do their best to make it right.
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Old 04-19-2021, 08:35 PM
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I delivered my engine to Tulsa last Thursday, discussed the issues with Rhonda, Monty and Allen and had lunch with Monty and Allen... good times.

First I want to say that there seems to be some erroneous information being spread in this thread. It has been stated that 77 experimental crankshafts were affected; this is somewhat misleading. There are 192 crankshafts affected; out of those, 77 are in experimental aircraft. Also, there is the opinion that the AMOC will render the crankshaft exempt from further refurbishment. I discussed that issue with Monty Barrett. He informed me that the AMOC removes the same amount of material as any other crank rebuild. Lycoming and Superior crankshafts can usually go through three stages of rebuilding before they can no longer be refurbished. He stated that after going through the AMOC, the crank could still be refurbished afterwards two more times before it was below tolerance. I can't quote specs here... but I do put my trust in my engine builder, especially if it's a Barrett engine. I have been informed that Superior has stated that they intend pay to refurbish the crankshafts and replace any parts required in the course of the rebuild; they have authorized the release of said parts to engine rebuilders. I've also been recently been informed by Rhonda that she has been in touch with Bill Ross recently. He was supposed to speak with SAP President Keith Chatten today to get an update on the situation. I'm told Keith is the person working with the FAA regarding the AMOC. None of this information can be considered ironclad until the FAA approves the AMOC; this may be why Superior has been tight-lipped about the situation. When I get further information I will share it here.
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Old 04-21-2021, 07:01 PM
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Thank you for your update from Barrett. The numbers were from the FAA
but the number of experimental engines remain the same at 77.

I also am waiting for the AMOC to be approved before I remove the engine. Great news on the rebuild tolerances of the crank..
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