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Old 07-05-2015, 06:04 AM
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Default AOA Calibration

I read the instruction is the Dynon manual, but am a bit confused. It says to climb to altitude, get to a fast cruise, and to do four, 5 degree oscillations. No problem here. Then it says to do a stall, and after recovery, to press the "stall" button to record it. Then repeat in other configurations, as you like. My question is should that initial stall be a power off?? I would think so. I imagine that at a fast cruise power setting, you would get a pretty aggressive whip stall, whereas power off stalls are quite gentle in the 12. Has anyone else done this calibration??

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Old 07-05-2015, 06:51 AM
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I know with my Dynon D100 I had to due the fast cruise with the oscillations like you described and then four different stall configurations, but I don't remember the order they needed to be done in.
  • Power off stall - clean
  • power off stall - flaps down
  • power on stall - clean
  • power on stall - flaps down
Once done the unit has worked flawlessly.

NOTE: I'm not sure if the Skyview is the same!
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Old 07-05-2015, 06:52 AM
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Default AOA Calibration

Unless you've deviated from the RV-12 S-LSA or E-LSA design, you don't have an AOA system.

The SkyView AOA calibration procedure assumes you have the Dynon Pitot/AOA probe installed. There are a few low cost do-it-yourself designs suggested in this forum, but including them during your initial build may give you an "EAB" certification instead of an E-LSA.
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Old 07-05-2015, 08:07 AM
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I have Skyview and I calibrated mine a couple of months ago as described above. It was easy and has worked great since then. All power off stalls.
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Old 07-05-2015, 08:14 AM
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Bob Waldon - LOTS of us have AOA in the RV12 because you can easily add it for about $12 in parts. See this thread starting post 14 and continuing. http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...ad.php?t=34040

I operate off of a 1260' grass strip. AOA is great, particularly because it is audible - don't need to look down at the display. And the best calibration of it for my situation is power off full flaps.

BTW I installed the piece of 1/8 inch tubing into the ADAHRS AOA connector and ran it to the wing root before ELSA certification. Because it was easier. And at that point is just a half ounce piece of tubing with no function, similar to a pull string. Ditto for the tubing from the wing root into the area you reach by opening the stall switch cover. Again, it is less than an ounce of thin tubing. After certification I drilled the hole, installed the inflation needle, (it was later shown that a rivet like the static port rivet would work, but I like the needle) and hooked it up. Told the Skyview it had AOA, no fuss.

It would not have been difficult to do all of this after certification if you had a split rear bulkhead (which you should anyway). That thin, tough 1/8 inch tubing can just lay in the large wing rib holes, it doesn't have to feed through the snap bushings. Feed it in with a long stick.

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Old 07-05-2015, 08:28 AM
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I would calibrate it full flap power off as this will give you the lowest stall AOA for any airplane and it is therefor conservative.

It would be nice if the system was smart enough to have a table for flaps up and flaps down, as flap has a big impact on stall AOA but that is more complexity than required I guess, so more things to fail.
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Old 07-05-2015, 08:33 AM
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+1, schrader valve adapter to beach ball + a bit of tubing for one way 1700' strip. I use a schrader valve cap to cover it in the hangar. One interesting observation, I forgot to remove the cap on one flight and was surprised that the AOA continued to work as it did before. That seems to indicate that the Dynon 180 only needs the AOA port for initial calibration!?
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Old 07-05-2015, 08:50 AM
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The logic in the Dynon systems is that you can do as many stalls as you want, and we will use the "deepest" stall (highest AoA) as the reference for the start of the red.

So you can choose what kind of stalls and configurations you use to calibrate.

The system does need the AoA port for sure to work! It is the difference between pitot and AoA that is the AoA measurement, so if you block the AoA you will still get response because pitot will change, but it's not really accurate.
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Old 07-05-2015, 10:35 AM
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Thanks for the replies guys. Bill, I did your mod during build, as I am EAB. Cheapest mod on the planet, and I can't wait to put it into action. Now that Waldo knows that he can have it in a 12, he might like one also. The small tubing and shrader valve was a piece of cake to install during the build. Sounds like a couple of power off, full flaps stalls will give me what I need.

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Old 07-05-2015, 12:17 PM
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RV3flier - I also cover the Shrader valve adapter with a valve cap, but I used a small piece of safety wire in that cap to attach a long yellow streamer to it. I labeled the streamer "Helium Port."
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