ADSB Compliance

todehnal · #1 06-28-2015, 01:09 PM

I attended a local ADSB seminar yesterday that was put on by Garmin. Like Dynon's Skyview system, Garmin did not have a certified GPS solution for us experimental guys included with there G3X EFIS, short of installing a 430, or 530. So, like Dynon, even though you installed the ADSB box, come 2020, you would not be legal, due to the uncertified GPS that was included with your EFIS systems. What a bummer!! Well, it looks like you guys that chose Garmin, over Dynon, are going to be okay. The Garmin rep told us that they had an economical, and compliant, remotely mounted WAAS GPS solution for their G3X system, which would be released later this month at Oshkosh. So, anyone who has not placed your avionics package order, needs to wait for Oshkosh, and to take a hard look at what Garmin is offering. It would really be nice to only have to buy, and install, one avionics system, and to be ready, and in compliance for the 2020 ADSB mandate. FYI, I recently sent an email to Dynon on this subject, and I did not get a "we're working on it" response. Anyway, you need to inquire, before you buy.

Tom

Jetguy · #2 06-28-2015, 01:25 PM

This is very exciting news. I was hoping that garmin would come out with a UAT box similar to NavWox. If this is what they have coming it will be great especially if it will work with the GTX 327 and feed traffic and weather data to all their Mobil units 496 through 796 as well as Garmin pilot. I'll be at OSH so as soon as I hear about it I'll update everyone.

f14av8r · #3 06-28-2015, 01:34 PM

Since it's only 2015, I'm hoping (expecting?) that Dynon will have an economical solution to this issue before 2020! What say you Dynon? The world (and all us loyal Dynon users) waits!

Jetguy · #4 06-28-2015, 01:41 PM

My money says they will have one. All they have to do is negotiate a licensing agreement with a vendor that already has a GPS unit that meets TSO standards and integrate it into their system. Be patient Grasshopper.

dlloyd3 · #5 06-28-2015, 01:43 PM

Check Dynon's forum, the did say something on 15 June: SkyView does not currently support third party ADS-B receivers. There aren't current plans to either, but it's not an impossibility. Keep in mind that with the FAA's recent rule change, things are changing, especially for homebuilders. We don't have anything to announce right now, but we'll have more to say about ADS-B before too long.

Keep in mind an approved GPS device needs to work with a transmitter of some kind, either an extended squitter transponder or a transceiver.

bhester · #6 06-28-2015, 01:48 PM

I don't think it's going to be that good. If I understand it correctly, us Garmin 327 guys are going to have to buy a GTX 23 remote transponder and then the new soon to be announced compliant GPS box that will hookup to the 23. Still going to cost us $3000 at least, and that will still require you to have something like a G3X screen to set the transponder code with and also have a GDL 39 for ADSB in.

todehnal · #7 06-28-2015, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bhester

I don't think it's going to be that good. If I understand it correctly, us Garmin 327 guys are going to have to buy a GTX 23 remote transponder and then the new soon to be announced compliant GPS box that will hookup to the 23. Still going to cost us $3000 at least, and that will still require you to have something like a G3X screen to set the transponder code with and also have a GDL 39 for ADSB in.

You're right, but any of us with an EFIS, mode S xponder, and ADSB transmitter, only need a compliant remotely mounted WAAS GPS to be totally ready for 2020. By the way, you are not required to have the ADSB in, just the out, which requires that approved GPS.

Confusing, to say the least...........Tom

Phantom30 · #8 06-28-2015, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jetguy

This is very exciting news. I was hoping that garmin would come out with a UAT box similar to NavWox. If this is what they have coming it will be great especially if it will work with the GTX 327 and feed traffic and weather data to all their Mobil units 496 through 796 as well as Garmin pilot. I'll be at OSH so as soon as I hear about it I'll update everyone.

This is what drove me to switch...and I was told the unit would be under $1k😎

Brantel · #9 06-28-2015, 07:50 PM

Looks like multiple expectations on what is to come from Garmin in this thread.

That is the problem with rumors...someone may be happy and others disappointed.

My advice is don't get too wound up in all of this until you see the official release.

cactusman · #10 06-28-2015, 08:35 PM

I love Dynons ADS-B box - best 1k anyone could ever spend imho if you have the Skyview system.

It has saved me from multiple mid-air close calls already, including a recent one where I was VFR flight following at 11500 and saw some guy aimlessly boring holes over the rim at 11300-11800! I saw him on ADS-B for about 10 minutes while approaching as he climbed and descended, pointed him out to Ctr, who finally picked him up.

He was always right where the ADS-B said he was.

All that is needed is FAA "guidance" to give EAB and ELSA owners the go ahead to use these systems after 2020 or change things so we can continue to use them without the need for some integrity-checking gps system.

Personally, the system in my RV-12 is better than what we have in airliners - which is just a blind traffic avoidance climb/descend system. At least I can see what is coming a long way off.