Night Flight?

[tomkk]

Thanks, didn't mean to imply I was picking on your specific words, they just expressed my question as good as any other way. Good discussion at the link ...

[JPJ]

While the Aeronautical Information Manual (AIM) is not usually considered a source document, it has quite a thorough discussion of GPS receiver requirements beginning in section 1-1-19 d.

[Rik]

Originally Posted by Ex Bonanza Bucko

I have an SLSA purchased from Van's. Despite its landing light, strobes, moving map and autopilot with all the approach stuff included it is illegal for IFR and night flight. It also has no tail light!.....nobody, not even an ATP, can fly an airplane at night without a tail light. So nobody can fly my airplane unless it's VFR and before sunset or after sunrise.

EBB:-)

Oh ****.. This is why I asked as I have to start my cross countries and night flights... hmmmmmmmm

[Ex Bonanza Bucko]

This is for Rik:
Maybe all is not lost. I looked at my bird today and I found that the wingtip strobes can indeed be seen from behind the airplane. So maybe it's legal at night if the pilot is which I ain't....expired medical. I hope you can use the airplane for training because it's a superb platform for that.

It is used by a lot of flight schools so unless they have added a tail light the wingtip strobe is probably OK..

EBB:-)

[BobTurner]

Originally Posted by JPJ

While the Aeronautical Information Manual (AIM) is not usually considered a source document, it has quite a thorough discussion of GPS receiver requirements beginning in section 1-1-19 d.

As noted, FAR 91.205 says "suitable navigation equipment". Interestingly that is not defined for VORs, ADFs, DMEs; and in fact there are some perfectly legal, under part 91, normally certified aircraft flying IFR with non-TSO'd VORs or DMEs.

But, when you come to IFR GPS units, it's different, because 14CFR 1.1 ("definitions") actually defines what is meant by "suitable" for ifr RNAV systems, including GPS. It says, in so many words, that suitable is whatever the FAA says it is, in its various non-regulatory publications (like advisory circulars and AIM). So FAR 1.1 plus 91.205 give the sub-sections of the AIM that deal with IFR GPS the power of law.

This is not unique. FAR 91 was changed a few years ago to require CFIIs giving an instrument proficiency check to follow the PTS - despite the fact that, technically, the PTS is an advisory circular. I believe the legal phrase is "regulatory by reference".

[Ex Bonanza Bucko]

I probably should explain myself a little more:

I am founder and CEO of PIABA (Professional, International Airport Bums's Assoc.) My hangar is World HQ and Hangar Flying and Aviation Liars' Memorial Center.

There are no dues nor membership fees which is good because all the current members are really good airport bums who bum my free coffee and sometimes beer....but only after flying.

We have millions of members but most don't know it; the only ones who do are about ten bums who are local around here. They are easily spotted because they have a vacant "thousand mile stare," avgas and oil stained clothes and dirty fingernails and they smell like avgas too.

They all have wives who are really, really forgiving women.

In the World HQ we offer free tutorials for all prospective members in demonstrating flight with hands and making airplane sounds without drooling.

If you wanna be a member please let me know and I will sign you up.

Thanks,
EBB:-)

[BobTurner]

Originally Posted by Ex Bonanza Bucko

This is for Rik:
Maybe all is not lost. I looked at my bird today and I found that the wingtip strobes can indeed be seen from behind the airplane. So maybe it's legal at night if the pilot is which I ain't....expired medical. I hope you can use the airplane for training because it's a superb platform for that.

It is used by a lot of flight schools so unless they have added a tail light the wingtip strobe is probably OK..

EBB:-)

As noted by Vans' employee, the "standard" lighting kit from Vans includes a white, rear-facing light on the wing tip. Not the strobe, that doesn't count for a nav light. Either you did not get the standard kit, or it is mis-wired, or the bulbs are burnt out. Something just isn't right here.

[DonFromTX]

Now you got MY attention. I have never heard of a flight school using an RV12, Can you recite the name of "a lot of them"?

Originally Posted by Ex Bonanza Bucko

I hope you can use the airplane for training because it's a superb platform for that.

It is used by a lot of flight schools so unless they have added a tail light the wingtip strobe is probably OK..

EBB:-)

[Ex Bonanza Bucko]

Well for starters there's a video on Van's web page with a guy in Aurora Oregon talking about what a great training airplane it is.
EBB

[epaslick]

Originally Posted by DonFromTX

Now you got MY attention. I have never heard of a flight school using an RV12, Can you recite the name of "a lot of them"?

Here is a small list provided by the RV-12 S-LSA web site.

http://flyrv12.com/get-training/