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Old 06-19-2015, 02:11 AM
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Question Can I log the time in a friend's RV-9A?

Im just several months from firing up my RV9A. I have flown right seat with the owners in their RV9As. In all cases I got to fly the 9's in cruise, downwind and base legs.is this time logable as PIC in a RV9A? Was wondering if this time could be used toward transition time reqiuired by insurance companys for my RV9A?

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Old 06-19-2015, 05:54 AM
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Im just several months from firing up my RV9A. I have flown right seat with the owners in their RV9As. In all cases I got to fly the 9's in cruise, downwind and base legs.is this time logable as PIC in a RV9A? Was wondering if this time could be used toward transition time reqiuired by insurance companys for my RV9A?

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I think you could log the time in your log book as PIC during the portion of the flight you were acting as Sole Manipulator of Controls. I bet your insurance company wants the other pilot to have certain credentials in order for the time to count towards your transition training. Check with the insurance company to see what they require of the transition training pilot.
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Old 06-19-2015, 06:16 AM
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As long as you are otherwise qualified to fly the aircraft, you may log that portion of the flight that you are sole manipulator of the controls.
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Old 06-19-2015, 06:40 AM
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5years ago, for insurance, it was 5 hours of instruction or ten hours total in type. I still recommend some dual time with an instructor.
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Old 06-19-2015, 10:17 AM
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Just curious about the "dual" or "transition training" requirement I keep hearing about. Is this only if you have hull insurance? I have never been required by any insurance company to have any transition or dual for the Rocket, RV, or even as a near zero time TW pilot back when I bought the Hiperbipe. I have also only carried liability insurance for all my airplanes.
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Old 06-19-2015, 11:48 AM
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Falcon wanted a cfi signoff for liability only for my RV4. I could not find a cfi so just started flying without insurance. after 14 hours(around there) they still would not give me a policy without cfi signoff (this was all US Specialty as the underwriter). I told falcon to go pound sand, and they billed me anyway. I should add that they did cover my ferry pilot for his 40 minutes in the airplane, so I guess they deserve to be paid for that.

Went to nationair with my 14 hours and they gave me the standard liability policy.

This was an rv4, and was this past march.

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Old 06-19-2015, 12:07 PM
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You can log the PIC time if you are otherwise qualified, but you'll have to ask your insurance company the other part of the question.

I am carrying liability and hull, and my insurance company wanted 5 hrs in type from an approved instructor. They had a list, it's the list of our well known RV instructors. I drove to Dallas and did training in an RV-7A, which made my insurance company satisfied.

I would recommend anyone flying an 9/A with a fixed pitch prop for the first time to try really hard to get some landings in the same type of aircraft with an instructor. After flying the usual 172s and Cherokees, and even the RV-7A, there's a significant difference in how the 9 behaves when you take out the power. It takes a while to learn how to slow down AND descend at the same time.
I practiced go-arounds a lot my first 50 hours in the 9A.
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Old 06-19-2015, 12:42 PM
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Just to be clear, to log the time you must be 'rated', that is, you have a private or commercial certificate that says 'airplane single engine land'; and be the sole manipulator of the controls during that time. That's it. No TW endorsement is needed if it's a 9 instead of a 9A. Of course you cannot be THE PIC in that case, but you can log it as PIC time. One of the most confusing regs there is.

Insurance companies set their own requirements, which change all the time, depending on however they're feeling that day.

Finally, Falcon and Nationair are brokers, not insurance companies. It is their job to act as your representative. In principle they both have access to all the insurance companies, so in this case it sounds like Falcon didn't do their job very well. However, as to being paid, the fine print in virtually all aviation insurance contracts talks about 'earned premium schedule'. This means that the moment you say 'yes' you are obligated to pay a certain amount. If you cancel one day later you will get a partial refund but a lot less than 364/365. It is not pro rated.
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Old 06-19-2015, 04:24 PM
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Wink Well then I will log the time!

I guess the easiest was the cruise and turns about a point were a learning curve to establish that horizon/cowl gap. It's a one finger airplane in cruise and nothing like the thousand hour in the sky Hawk. Well thanks everyone for your advise,,,,,,! And transition training should go well. Has anyone thought of installing speed brakes like the ones on the Lansairs.

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Old 06-19-2015, 04:41 PM
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Speed brakes are not needed on RVs. They just add weight and complexity.

RVs are not at all difficult to slow down. It just takes a small learning curve.
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