VansAirForceForums  
Home > VansAirForceForums

- POSTING RULES
- Donate yearly (please).
- Advertise in here!

- Today's Posts | Insert Pics

  #1  
Old 05-19-2015, 03:56 PM
cdeerinck's Avatar
cdeerinck cdeerinck is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: San Marcos, CA
Posts: 415
Default Rear Throttle

Am I missing something obvious? I searched Google and VAF to no avail. I'm looking for any information people might have on this...

I got my DJM quadrants today. They look awesome!



Looking at the rear quadrant, I need to cut a hole in the existing part F-860B-L-1, and then make a side panel.

Any feedback on any of the following (or anything I have missed) would be appreciated:

1) Technique for cutting the hole in the existing part. This is a QB, so it is already installed. Is the best bet to use a drill and nibbler, Dremel, or something else?

2) Are there any OP plans that cover the rear throttle? Is there a Part# for the side panel. It looks like the QB already has nut plates in place to accept a cover. The DJM quadrant is hole compatible with what Vans sells.

3) Does anyone have a recommendation on what to use for linkage hardware between the two?
__________________
~Chuck

DG-800S Sailplane
QB RV-8 -- Working on final wiring and the engine
84CX Reserved
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-20-2015, 03:59 AM
Strike69's Avatar
Strike69 Strike69 is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Glen Burnie, MD
Posts: 94
Default RCP Throttle

I did a full RCP set-up. See my page in the My Build section.

http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...t=83978&page=6



PM me if you want to discuss in detail how I put it together. It works great btw.

Strike
__________________
Mike "Strike" Messer, CFI/CFII/MEI, ATP
RV-8A/F-15E/T-38/T-37/T-6
RV-8A Phase II
N-251WM
Garmin G3X/GTN-650/Dynon D6/GTX-23ES/TruTrak GX Pilot/GDL-39
Eagle XTREEM I0-360-B1HD2 (dual P-mags)
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-20-2015, 05:17 AM
YvesCH YvesCH is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Basel, Switzerland
Posts: 203
Default

Check this out:
http://www.rv8-hangar.com/rear-seat-throttle/

but I have not yet an idea how to connect the front and back throttle.
(my QB Kit is will be shipped in the next few weeks )

Cheers,
Yves
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-20-2015, 02:20 PM
cfiidon's Avatar
cfiidon cfiidon is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: California
Posts: 652
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by YvesCH View Post
Check this out:
http://www.rv8-hangar.com/rear-seat-throttle/

but I have not yet an idea how to connect the front and back throttle.
(my QB Kit is will be shipped in the next few weeks )

Cheers,
Yves
You can use a thick walled aluminum tube, threaded for small rod end bearings.

This requires cutting elongated holes in the vertical members to accommodate the travel.

Don
__________________
RV-8 QB Titan ECi 191HP XIO-360
WW200RV Dynon D180 HS34 AP74
GNS430 SL30 GTX327 PS8000B Uavionix Echouat
"Pilots are alchemists... we turn gold into lead."
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-21-2015, 03:51 PM
bigginsking bigginsking is offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 36
Default use a cut off wheel

This works well for cutting that slot and dozens of other things:
http://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DWMT707...dp/B00OK3TWUW/
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-21-2015, 06:03 PM
Tom Martin Tom Martin is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 1,544
Default

This is what I did in one of my rockets. It is just a long rod that I threaded on both ends. The forward end has a clevis that attaches to the forward throttle lever. The aft end attaches to the only round ball I could find that day that was both available and cheap.
Not only did it work well as a rear throttle handle but I am sure that the dimples made the airplane faster. It did however tend to slice to the right if you applied the throttle too fast!




__________________
Tom Martin RV1 pilot 4.6hours!
CPL & IFR rated
EVO F1 Rocket 1000 hours,
2010 SARL Rocket 100 race, average speed of 238.6 knots/274.6mph
RV4, RV7, RV10, two HRIIs and five F1 Rockets
RV14 Tail dragger

Fairlea Field
St.Thomas, Ontario Canada, CYQS
fairleafield@gmail.com

Last edited by Tom Martin : 05-21-2015 at 06:07 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-21-2015, 06:06 PM
scsmith scsmith is online now
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Ashland, OR
Posts: 2,573
Default rear throttle details

Hi,
Vans does sell a rear throttle kit that includes a side plate. Now that you already have the quadrant, you may be able to buy just the side plate. The drawing for the rear throttle installation is OP-2. You can probably get the drawing and the side plate separately. Might even be able to get the drawing on line? The part number for the side plate is F-8114A.

Note that the F-860B-L fuselage rib gets slotted for the throttle lever, so that the quadrant doesn't extend into the cabin -- the whole thing fits in the space between the outer skin and the side plate that fits onto the F-805 and F-806 bulkheads and the F-860B-L rib. I used a small abrasive wheel in a Dremel tool to cut the slot. A angle die grinder with an abrasive wheel would work too.
Reaching into the cavity above the F-860B-L rib to operate the throttle is quite comfortable. I think the lever is bent inward some just above where it comes out of the slot to help move the knob inboard away from the outer skin some, for more hand room.

DO NOT cut a big square cutout in the F-860B-L rib to accept the whole quadrant. Cut a slot big enough for the lever only. You hopefully can assemble the quadrant around this slot so that the nice labeled top plate can sit on top of the F-860B-L. If not, it will be hidden underneath. Too bad, but don't cripple the fuselage structure by notching the F-860.

You need to make holes in the F-805 bulkhead and the two F-804 fore and aft bulkheads for the pushrod that links the rear throttle to the fwd throttle.

I used a Unibit stepped bit for this, works great.

You can start with a small hole, pull a string between the front and rear throttle lever connections and see where you need to move the hole. Drill another small hole and check again. Once you have the location right, open up the hole diameter to allow the link rod to move without rubbing. This larger hole will engulf your smaller trial hole(s).

By mounting the quadrant recessed into the fuselage space, it allows the holes in the bulkheads for the link rod to be near the middle of the width of the bulkheads. DO NOT notch the bulkheads through the flanges on the inboard edges of the bulkheads.

Be advised: On the older kits, the plans indicated the hole location for the throttle link rod, and also indicate a location for the manual elevator trim cable.

These are on different drawings and they conflict.


So if you have manual elevator trim cable, you have to relocate the hole through the F804 bulkhead. Unfortunately, I had already drilled the hole for the trim cable, and the combination of that hole overlapping the throttle link rod hole left a pretty big hole in the F-804, so I riveted doublers on the insides of the fore and aft F-804 bulkheads for some distance around, above, and below the holes. PITA!

I believe on the later matched-hole, -01 kits (after mid 2007), they fixed this and I think some of the bulkheads may already have the holes in them. Perhaps not the F-804 though, I don't know. So proceed forewarned to keep the manual trim cable and the throttle link separated by a few inches.
__________________
Steve Smith
Aeronautical Engineer
RV-8 N825RV
IO-360 A1A
WW 200RV
"The Magic Carpet"
Hobbs 625
LS6-15/18W sailplane SOLD
bought my old LS6-A back!!
VAF donation Jan 2020

Last edited by scsmith : 05-21-2015 at 06:26 PM.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:56 AM.


The VAFForums come to you courtesy Delta Romeo, LLC. By viewing and participating in them you agree to build your plane using standardized methods and practices and to fly it safely and in accordance with the laws governing the country you are located in.