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05-13-2015, 09:10 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Sunman, IN
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QB vs Slow
Oh, one other thing...remember family first.
If you spend every spare minute working on the kit, yes , you will finish faster but you may find that you lost something along the way...
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Aerospace Engineer '88
RV-10
Structure - 90% Done
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EFII System 32 - Done
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05-13-2015, 09:13 PM
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Join Date: May 2010
Location: Denver
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I don't know if it is still on Vans website, but when I started building 8 years ago, they had a page where they divided the cost of the QB kits by the number of hours that they estimated it would take the average first time builder to get to QB completion. IIRC to came out to $8-9 per hour. As a repeat offender, it still took me 2500 hours to finish a QB. I really enjoy building, but by the time I finished I was very happy to have gone QB.
Like many things, it is just time vrs. money
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05-13-2015, 11:54 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Prosser,WA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rocketman1988
Oh, one other thing...remember family first.
If you spend every spare minute working on the kit, yes , you will finish faster but you may find that you lost something along the way...
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Great point!! I was very fortunate to have full support of my family and their help!! It is very important they are on board with your dreams.

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Jack Maljaars
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05-14-2015, 12:11 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Laguna Hills, CA
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A member of the QB contingent here, both the wings and fuselage of a -9A. I wanted to experience the build, yet have a flying airplane in about two years, which would have been an impossibility with the standard kit. Believe me, you get PLENTY of experience with riveting, fabricating brackets, etc. with the QBs. I was fortunate to have the extra money on hand to go this route, and wouldn't hesitate for a femtosecond to do it again.
Sure, we have to suffer for our art here, but there are so many operations in the build that are mind-numbingly repetitive (the three Ds--drill, deburr, dimple), and the QBs cut down on these significantly.
Jack--priceless expression on you daughter's face in that second pic!
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RV-9A "slider"
Flew to Osh in 2017, 2018 & 2019! 
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05-14-2015, 04:27 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
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I did the slow build and would do it again. I was fortunate to have a job which allowed me 30 hours a week to work on it and finished in 26 months. I really enjoyed the process.
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05-14-2015, 07:50 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Severna Park, Maryland
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Slow-Build
I did the slow-build fuse. I would say the quick-build fuse would have got me into the air a year early. But building the fuse was interesting and I learned a lot. Plus I saved the money. So, for me, the slow-build was the way to go. Unless you are just in a hurry to get into the air, I would recommend the slow build. But if you are in a big hurry, why not just buy a used RV? It's a buyers market right now. You can probably buy one for the same money you will spend in building.
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05-14-2015, 08:15 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Topeka
Posts: 323
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Time
First, I built a 7 not a 10. My decision to go with a quick build kit was time. I was willing to sacrifice $$ to save time. As it turned out, through my own misunderstanding, I had to wait five months for the quickbuild kit. In that time, I could have built two fuselages (maybe) and saved a whole LOT of MONEY. So, if you decide to go the quick build route in order to save time make sure you call Vans and find out exactly when the fuse will be delivered to your residence.
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Topeka, Ks
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05-15-2015, 08:07 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Flagstaff, AZ
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The first and most important factor is build vs. fly. If you want to fly, it is worth the money for the quick build kit. Only you can decide which is more important. I'm about 70/30 build/fly, so it was a 'no-brainer' to slow build both times.
Other, lesser factors may include budget and equipment. If you want in the air fast, you need to have the money pretty much available. Otherwise you can spread the finances out. My RV-6A took 14 years to finish largely because it took that long to gather the money for engine and avionics; until then I was in no hurry to finish the airframe. For the -10, the finances weren't the problem but I would hate to try to install the air conditioning, oxygen system, etc. into a quick build fuselage; I did a lot of modifications as I built that would have been much more difficult if the structure was not simply clecoed together. But if you are not getting all fancy like that, then it's not such an obstacle.
In the end, the answer varies and only you can decide what is best for you. I don't think Van's is suffering in sales along either route, so both ways are obviously working for members of the building community.
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05-15-2015, 08:13 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Underwood, WA
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Where can you find information detailing the steps that are completed in the QB fuselage. I do want to install built-in oxygen but no A/C. I want to see if I can still swing it with the QB Fuse.
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Eric Rushing
RV-10
90% done, 90% to go.
Looks like an airplane!
Molalla, OR
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05-15-2015, 09:42 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Sunman, IN
Posts: 2,189
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QB Sections
I could not find any specific QB plans. You need to go through the sections and verify everything that was done. It does not take as long as you would think, however, as I stated earlier, there were a few minor issues.
My fuse came with the major construction of the forward fuse pretty much done. The interior panels were attached and the baggage area floor was temporarily pop riveted in place. The forward upper fuse was pretty much complete and temporarily pop riveted to the forward fuse.
I removed all of the interior panels and baggage floors, and removed the upper forward fuse. The only floors that did not get removed were the forward ones. After reading about doing this in these forums, I decided that the reward for removing them (insulation) was not worth the effort. As it turns out, if you want to use the expanding fireproof foam to fill the cavities in this area, there is lightening hole access to each bay.
From what I remember, the sections that are complete, or mostly complete, in the QB fuse are: 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 31.
The QB wings sections are: 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 21, 22.
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Bob
Aerospace Engineer '88
RV-10
Structure - 90% Done
Cabin Top - Aaarrghhh...
EFII System 32 - Done
297 HP Barrett Hung
ShowPlanes Cowl with Skybolts Fitted - Beautiful
Wiring...
Dues+ Paid 2019,...Thanks DR+
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