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Old 05-13-2015, 02:49 PM
PiperRV10 PiperRV10 is offline
 
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Default Quick Vs Slow build fuselage......I cant decide

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Hello all, I have been lurking on the site for years and have finally registered. I have just purchased some complete wings and finished up my Tail kit, looking at ordering the fuselage.

I have done the math and after shipping and everything the total cost for my QB fuselage is $8690 +the kit.

~Is it worth it? How much time did it take the standard builders to make it to the QB stage? I am a first time builder, have enjoyed building however I do want to get in the air faster. I really want to go QB for time savings, but I need to get a good feel for HOW MUCH time is almost 9k going to save me?


I have read all the threads on the topic and well I am still asking the question.....

how is the quality of the QB now ?

Any QB builders wish they went Slow?

any Slow who wish for fast?


I think you all know the trouble I am having with this decision so ANY insight would be greatly appreciated .

I called the factory but they don't have a good "hours" count on the QB vs slow on the fuse alone, only wings and fuse.


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Old 05-13-2015, 02:56 PM
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I thought the fuselage kit was the most interesting and rewarding part of the whole process. Legacy build allows much more flexibility in interior paint, powder coating wear areas, insulation, and wiring prep, etc. I did A/C which would have been much more challenging with a QB.
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Old 05-13-2015, 03:01 PM
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If you have the money and want to get into the air as quickly as possible, I recommend the quick build option. I wanted to go the quick build route for the fuselage but was forced into the slow build because of a shortage of funds. I don't regret the slow build but would rather be flying by now. (I've been working on and off on my project for 10 years now and figure another 2 - 4 until I'm flying...maybe 6! )

Good luck with your decision.
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Old 05-13-2015, 03:18 PM
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Hello all, I have been lurking on the site for years and have finally registered.


Brian Orfalls
Brian, welcome aboard the good ship VAF
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Old 05-13-2015, 03:22 PM
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I did the QB wings and fuse. Overall, very happy with build quality. I will say that I did find some build errors. Nothing major...a couple of rivets that were supposed to be an426 but were an470. Easily replaced. I did not have any issues with wiring or such as the baggage area floors were just temporarily pop riveted in place. The only place I was unable to access was the front seat under floor area. After reading the forums about removing these pieces to add insulation, I decided that the effort was not worth the gain. Turns out you can use the expanding fireproof foam if you want. There are lightening holes accessible in each bay. The amount of time saved on the fuse is substantial. Look at the forward fuse sections in the plans.

Very happy about doing the QB kits...
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Old 05-13-2015, 03:47 PM
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I did the slow build and would do it that way again, but I really enjoy smashing rivets and seeing the structure come together. I just checked my log, I spent ten months on the fuselage kit, out of a 6-1/2 year build. So, for me, going quick build would not have saved a significant amount of time. But, I worked hard on that kit, and took breaks at other points in the build.

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Old 05-13-2015, 04:09 PM
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FYI The current quick build delivery time is nearly six months. If you have other work to do while waiting and can justify the cost, go for it. I did.
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Old 05-13-2015, 05:40 PM
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Brian,

Thanks for asking that question. I am in a similar situation and am very curious to hear the different responses. I'm just finishing up my tail cone now and ordered the QB wings in March which is scheduled to arrive in July. It took me about a year to complete my empennage kit with a baby being born right in the middle. I'm thinking quick build for me but I'm curious how many hours of work that will save me. Most people that I talk to say the most time consuming part is all of the fiberglass work which you do not avoid with the QB kit. While I know times vary with experience, if anyone can give me an approximate of hours spent to get the fuse to quick build stage that would be much appreciated. Looks like my tail kit will end up taking me around 250-275 hrs to complete so I'm probably a fairly slow builder. Thats just tools in hand and doesn't count the head scratching and countless hours spent reading all of your posts. Thanks for your help in my upcoming decision...

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Old 05-13-2015, 06:33 PM
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I'm on the fence too
With work and life
I am able to put in 7-10 hours a week maybe more maybe less
So 250-300 hours is almost a year off the build at my current speed...

The money is a factor but I a also desperately getting that Rv itch, and my wife and I took the Rv-10 ride in aurora recently and now she is excited again for the plane.... So time or money.....


So I am with Brian and Dave on soliciting opinions....

Seems like the majority of folks I have talked to say go slow...

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Old 05-13-2015, 07:13 PM
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Brian.
Lots great advice here!
We went quick build but looking back I enjoyed the build so much if I did it over I probably would go slow build. That being said, the moment I set time line goals to complete a certain phase or section is when I did not enjoy the build as much...it truly is a journey that needs to set its own pace and you will thoroughly enjoy the project. My advise is to pace at your comfort level and don't set goals that are unrealistic to your capabilities in time or money. The time will pass much faster than you can imagine. How we paced ourself? No time log and worked on it virtually every spare moment...large percentage of build was done from 6pm till midnight and full weekends.It becomes somewhat of a addiction Good luck! It is a incredible aircraft!
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