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Old 05-04-2015, 02:44 PM
David-aviator David-aviator is offline
 
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Angry How to compromise a good fuel tank

I submit this boo-boo message and perhaps it won't happen to you.

This is mud dabber season, they are here or will be here soon and will clog a fuel vent line or pitot system. That's why we use screens or tube covers.

I've been using simple yellow plastic quarter inch tube caps for some time. Drill a small hole in the leading edge and they work fine. This year I forgot to make that small hole none of the caps.

Three days ago the OAT rose to the mid 80's for the first time this year. I was next to the 8 and notice fuel on the floor under the left drain valve, thinking it was leaking. Wrong. Fuel, a nice stream was flowing from the aft end of the tank. And then I saw the yellow cap on the vent line - darn!!

Opened the fuel cap and there was a rush of air and the leak stopped immediately. But I knew the tank had been compromised. It took 48 hours for the seepage to start, a small blue ring of fuel stain appeared today just outside the first rib along the aft baffle rivet line. Darn, darn, darn!!

Already drained the fuel, began tank removal and ordered a couple tubes of sealant from Vans. It will be repaired but what a dumb thing to do - close the vent line with no weep hole.

PS By way of explanation, if you use the plan vent screens this could not happen. I use a 90° tube intake to add a little head of pressure in the tank to facilitate fuel feed, hence the need to cap the tube openings.
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Old 05-04-2015, 03:29 PM
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After I put the plane in the hangar I release both caps and leave them in that position until my next preflight . The design of the fuel vent can allow it to build more than .5 psi , leaving the caps loose guarantees no pressue build up .
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Old 05-04-2015, 04:51 PM
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I just took several inches of safety wire, doubled it over, and stuffed it up into the vents. What little protruded got bent 90º to prevent any further movement and there they have been for ~420hrs of flight.
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Old 05-04-2015, 07:43 PM
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After I put the plane in the hangar I release both caps and leave them in that position until my next preflight . The design of the fuel vent can allow it to build more than .5 psi , leaving the caps loose guarantees no pressue build up .
I do the same.
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Old 05-04-2015, 08:01 PM
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Default What's the load limit?

I hope we don't have to worry about 0.5 psi build-up being bad for the tanks.

Gasoline has a specific gravity of 0.75; water has a column pressure of 43 psi/100 ft. Pull 6G's, and a tank with 12" fuel depth (dihedral counts, here) sees 1.93 psi on the bottom. Makes one wonder how 0.5 psi can be even close to catastrophic.

Pretty sure I did that math correctly.

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Old 05-04-2015, 08:12 PM
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.5 psi and fuel vapor might be the cause of rivet blisters , cheap insurance by leaving the caps released . ( might be BS ....but what do I have to loose )
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Old 05-05-2015, 06:02 AM
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I just took several inches of safety wire, doubled it over, and stuffed it up into the vents. What little protruded got bent 90? to prevent any further movement and there they have been for ~420hrs of flight.
Hmmm... this sounds like a good solution. Does it introduce any additional potential failure modes? .025 wire?
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Old 05-05-2015, 06:24 AM
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Default safety wire

I did the same on my -6, 5 years and 400 hours ago. Can't remember who posted the idea, but it was one of our more experienced and knowledgeable members here. No issues whatsoever here in the bug capital of the world. Easy enough to remove when/if needed.
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Old 05-05-2015, 08:47 AM
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Default It's what I did also

Both my tank vents and my pitot have a squiggly length of safety wire stuck into them, with a little hook hanging out for visual verification and removal if necessary.

I have also done this to the inlet of every air tool in my hangar (and regretted it when I didn't). Very effective way to keep the mud daubers from destroying expensive toys.

Wish I could find an equally effective remedy for English starlings. Shotgun shells are an expensive and time-consuming answer to that infestation.

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Old 05-05-2015, 08:57 AM
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I really like the safety wire idea, thanks!

My attempt at using RTV to put screen on my air vents failed miserably.

Any chance you could post some pictures of your vents with the safety wire installed?

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