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05-03-2015, 07:09 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Hicks Airfield, Fort Worth,Texas
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4 seats?
I have a 4 seater, it has two seats installed, the extra space is for camping gear. Only installed the rear bench two times in six years. We use the Cessna 180 for camping trips. Not extra passengers. Just doesn't come up.
My RV8 is used the most for everything else. I rarely do a roll, aerobatics, never.
You must defin your mission. It is hard to cover every mission with one airplane.
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05-03-2015, 11:10 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Milwaukie, OR
Posts: 35
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If I have followed this thread correctly, it seems that the choice has come down to whether you want to do aerobatics or whether you want to haul lots of people or gear. It appears you, zampano, don't have any strong feelings either way. Let's see if there might be some other factor that could influence your decision. What if you spend years of work and tens of thousands of dollars of money on the project, and at the end of it have an airplane in your hangar worth $120k. Now imagine doing the same amount of work, spending $40k more, and having an airplane in your hangar worth $180k. Are you as wishy washy about the extra $20,000 dollars as you are about whether you want to do aerobatics? I haven't done the math myself, but don't forget to include return on investment on your whiteboard.
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05-03-2015, 11:24 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: La Feria Texas
Posts: 3,822
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It was hard to define the mission for me. I THOUGHT I needed four seats to take a lot of friends on trips and fun flights with me. I rarely had four seats full over the many years I had that plane. When the offer was made to friends that had expressed interest, suddenly they had something important to do that day, like inventory their supply of frozen peas in the freezer. I would have been far better served had I chosen a two seater.
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05-03-2015, 02:43 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 1,967
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Do what I am doing...
..10 first, for the family, then a 3B for juuuuust me! 
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05-03-2015, 03:45 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 1,544
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I have been flying for 32 years, 18 in RVs and rockets. Most of my time is in tandem seat, taildraggers. For a pilot there can be no better experience then sitting on the centre line, directly over the C of G.
My wife has travelled in the rocket with me, sitting in the back seat, all over North America. Space and comfort has not been an issue for her.
I am building a RV14, just for the fun of it, although I am definitely not selling the Rocket! I sat in the demonstrator RV14 and it has significantly more room then any of the RVs, other then the RV10. It has much better visibility then the RV10. The top and doors on the RV10 kind of remind me of being in a Piper Cherokee. I have 25 to 30 hours in the RV10 and I am convinced that it is absolutely the best four seat aircraft on the market. You can actually carry a good load, with passengers, in comfort.
The RV10 is a very nice flying airplane but next to a Rocket, RV4, 6,or 7 it flies like a Mini Van. Maybe it should have been called The Mini RVan, as it accomplishes the same sort of mission. If I had a young family the RV10 would be my choice.
I believe that the RV14, even at a higher price, will replace both the RV7 and RV9 as the most poplar side by side aircraft in the Vans fleet.
I recommend trying all the airplanes, but build or purchase the one that is the most fun to fly. You can always rent a four seater for that once a year family trip....
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Last edited by Tom Martin : 05-03-2015 at 03:47 PM.
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05-03-2015, 04:35 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Washington, D.C.
Posts: 37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ppilotmike
..10 first, for the family, then a 3B for juuuuust me! 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Martin
If I had a young family the RV10 would be my choice.
You can always rent a four seater for that once a year family trip....
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That's the exact reason I was thinking of the RV-10; but for the few times I would want four seats, I think Tom hit it, I can always rent one.
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05-04-2015, 09:55 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 1,967
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zampano
That's the exact reason I was thinking of the RV-10; but for the few times I would want four seats, I think Tom hit it, I can always rent one.
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However, renting has its limitations for family hauling CCs, which is why we all want to own instead... Perhaps you should consider the rental being the one you do acro in, burning "local" holes in the sky. You can easily get your hands on a Decathelon or perhaps join a flying club with a Pitts or Extra on hand.. If you're smart about it, the 10 can be built for not much more than a 2 seater. Once you've built one, you may find yourself building a second one...
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