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Old 04-23-2015, 04:15 PM
Stockmanreef Stockmanreef is offline
 
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Default Realistic RV-14 price

Has anyone calculated what the real cost of building an RV-14? When I first started building, Van's indicated $90K for a finished VFR plane. I am not sure where they came up with that number from.

My numbers show that just the kit ($35K-vans site), CS prop ($7,750-Vans site), and engine ($37K-vans site) would cost almost $80K. If you throw in the VFR avionic from the RV-12 ($14K), you are at $94K. Then you need seats, lights, ELT, and paint. Not sure what else I am missing. This is not including the $3-5K, which one will have to spend on tools.

My guestimate for a VFR plane is about $100-110K, while and IFR plane will cost about $125-130K. I assume that I will be in the latter category for my plane.

Am I missing something? like the engine and prop would cost $37K? Or is the vans estimate with "used engine" and "used prop".

Maybe others will share their cost estimates.
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Old 04-23-2015, 06:38 PM
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Default Huh?

I've been wondering the same thing.
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Old 04-23-2015, 06:59 PM
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You've left out everything from the firewall forward kit. Firewall forward kits for an RV-7 or RV-10 are in the $5600-$6600 range:

http://vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/stor...product=FF_Kit
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Old 04-23-2015, 07:02 PM
Kyle Boatright Kyle Boatright is offline
 
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How about:

$40k for the airframe, including all the miscellaneous stuff.
$20k for a low time IO-360 from a Mooney.
$15k for other FWF stuff, including a prop.
$10k panel.
$5k of DIY paint and store bought seats.

Total: $90k.

You could do better on the panel and/or engine if you were a good shopper.
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Old 04-23-2015, 07:46 PM
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So you think that when Van's says that you can build the -14 for $90K, they meant a low time engine, avionics less than a -12, and a $3000 paint job?

I just would like to know how Van's came up with the number.


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How about:

$40k for the airframe, including all the miscellaneous stuff.
$20k for a low time IO-360 from a Mooney.
$15k for other FWF stuff, including a prop.
$10k panel.
$5k of DIY paint and store bought seats.

Total: $90k.

You could do better on the panel and/or engine if you were a good shopper.
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Old 04-23-2015, 08:55 PM
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So you think that when Van's says that you can build the -14 for $90K, they meant a low time engine, avionics less than a -12, and a $3000 paint job?
You can easily save $10k from your own numbers by using an IO-360 and a fixed pitch prop. Also, if you look at what's included in the RV-12 avionics kit, it's not a bad package. It's a really complete electrical package, even including an ELT. And given how many planes are flying without paint, I wouldn't expect any allowance for paint in their $90k estimate.

I don't know if that gets you down to exactly $90k, but it starts to be come $90k-ish.
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Old 04-24-2015, 04:28 AM
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Default At Sun nFun

one of the reps said $85000 with new engine and prop. That did not include avionics. Or paint I imagine
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Old 04-24-2015, 04:31 AM
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Some interesting information from a talk that Gus did here at Sun and Fun yesterday:

- They are building the taildragger with an IO-360 to work out additional fwf tweaks that may need to be done as they recognize that others may want to use this engine due to availability in the used market.

- Fixed pitch prop was mentioned as undesirable as there would be a lack of take off thrust (above my paygrade/experience level - he did mention it though). Might have been specifically to harness the 210 hp.

- Finish kit price based on precut canopy and many parts which cost more than the 7/8/9 kits. As they developed the 14 it really looks to me that this is a small 10 with regards to pricing as well as many components (Gus made a similar comment, some of that is my interpretation and opinion).

Perhaps not for this thread but I will throw it in: my main reason for building the 14 is to take advantage of the newest thoughts at Vans, and to be able to have as much of the grunt work and basic design be thought out for me.

If Vans had available an RV-7a or RV-9a with a redesigned nose gear similar to the 14, and the new instructions and more prefab (canopy easier to build) that would be what I would build. I am happy with the 14, and will be anxious to await the avionics kits and see what the thoughts are there.
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Old 04-24-2015, 06:33 AM
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I am guessing that if you want a new, nicely painted, G3X panel, IFR (basic) -then easily $140k. But, it will have all new parts, good reliability, and longevity. So, you can fly it often without worries or hassles for many years. Maybe a few teething issues, but once gone, blue skys . . . .

If you want to fly cheaper, many good 6's and 7's are posted for sale. Buy now, fly now.
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Old 04-24-2015, 07:54 AM
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- Fixed pitch prop was mentioned as undesirable as there would be a lack of take off thrust (above my paygrade/experience level - he did mention it though). Might have been specifically to harness the 210 hp.

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Interesting. I have an RV-8 with an IO-360 and a 3 blade Catto FP prop. I have lots of take off thrust. Mine is an angle valve 200hp.
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