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Old 03-24-2015, 09:50 PM
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Default I could surely use some help - trying to figure out this engine problem

I have a Lycoming with about 50 hours on it that is behaving very badly.
It is cyclical roughness, happening every few minutes. It begins with roughness, followed by lower RPM's, higher EGT's (all) and a feeling as if it is self leaning! Fuel flow goes down by 2-4 GPH too (11+ down to 7 or 8 and EGT's rising to Peak). A few seconds (20-30) and it cures itself. Then in a few moments, it all begins again.

Isolating the mag does not improve or make it run worse or better. Same for the one Lightspeed II/Hall effect I am running. Feels like the engine is about to give up, then it takes a breath and goes on normally for a few minutes. It will run hard and even overspin the CATO prop (it's underpitched right now), then runs very poorly... like I need to find a place to land. Goes from 2750 down to 2450, and then, slowly, back up again. Scary!

Because if "feels" like a fuel issue, I traced everything in the (new) AFP 150 for loose fittings or fouled filters.... no joy. Cleaned everything and tightened fuel fittings and no change in the way it runs. Takes a few minutes on the way to altitude before it starts in, then never corrects. Same issues regardless of altitude or RPM. Could the mag be working intermittently? Hall Effect? If so, you would think isolating them would make it quit altogether, but it doesn't change anything except the EGT's go way up, and then I get nervous and switch back to both.

Any thoughts you may have are much appreciated.
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Old 03-24-2015, 10:13 PM
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I am neither a mechanic nor an expert, but it sounds to me like it could have something to do with a fuel tank venting problem
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Old 03-24-2015, 10:30 PM
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How much fuel in the tanks when this is happening?

What engine? Injected or carb?

Will the engine do this consistently during a ground run?
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Old 03-24-2015, 10:36 PM
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Do a fuel flow test on both tanks by disconnectiong the fuel line from the carb or injector servo and use the boost pump to run fuel into a gas can.

You should get about 25 gph.
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Old 03-24-2015, 10:38 PM
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Default Fuel leak air not fuel

I had a similar issue with missing and chased electrical untill it just could not be electrical. Make a fuel hose clear tygon and run it from you red cube to the spider if you are fuel injected. Run the engine up to 1500 and check for air bubbles. It will bubble at idle but at 1500 rpm there should be none. If you see bubbles it is sucking air into the fuel. I traced my issue to the fuel valve pipe threads. Did not leak fuel but sucked air. Pulled the fittings off and sealed with permatex 2. Problem solved. Hope this helps.
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Old 03-25-2015, 05:42 AM
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I agree with the assessments that it sounds either like it is sucking air or is a clogged vent. Does it happen on either fuel tank? If so, then a clogged vent is less likely, but still possible.
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Old 03-25-2015, 06:18 AM
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One more troubleshooting thing to do. Assuming that the engine is running on the mechanical fuel pump only, next time it happens do nothing but turn on the electric fuel pump. If the "self leaning" stops, then you would have confirmed that you have fuel line sucking air, or an obstruction/flow restriction causing the fuel in the line flashing to vapor/bubbles, thus reducing the flow to the engine.
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Old 03-25-2015, 06:22 AM
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Default Clogged Vents

On wet tank (type of fuel tank design), a clogged fuel vent will most likely cause skin damage / collapse before the engine dies. Doesn't tank much negative pressure inside the fuel tank before the thin wing skins concave.

If this is a carburetor'd engine, I'd suspect issues with the float / needle sticking if there is adequate fuel pressure on the fuel pressure gauge.
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Old 03-25-2015, 07:15 AM
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Check for play in the mixture cable - verify that you cannot move the mixture arm manually with the knob locked.

Is the fuel system design per AFP's recommendations? I.e., pump and filter locations, etc.

Did the problem start abruptly?

Also, call Don at Airflow Performance. He may want to check out the servo.
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I had a similar issue with missing and chased electrical untill it just could not be electrical. Make a fuel hose clear tygon and run it from you red cube to the spider if you are fuel injected. Run the engine up to 1500 and check for air bubbles. It will bubble at idle but at 1500 rpm there should be none. If you see bubbles it is sucking air into the fuel. I traced my issue to the fuel valve pipe threads. Did not leak fuel but sucked air. Pulled the fittings off and sealed with permatex 2. Problem solved. Hope this helps.
I have done this. The only thing I can add is that it is no fun standing behind a prop spinning at 1500 rpm. Obviously, tie down and chock, and it wouldn't hurt to have a trusted buddy at the controls. Scary!
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