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Old 02-12-2015, 05:03 PM
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Their EXP box looks to have the GPS position source built in. The transponder interface ($169) is just a small gizmo that clamps around your transponder's antenna coax cable and reads the squawk code and mode C altitude code being transmitted via RF. The total price for the package ranges from $980 to $1355 depending on which antennas you choose. Also for another $89 you can add on a 1090ES receiver.
Depending on the brand/model of your transponder, you may only need to wire a serial circuit to it, which will save you the $169.

This probably needs to be moved to it's own thread.
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Old 02-12-2015, 06:43 PM
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Their EXP box looks to have the GPS position source built in. The transponder interface ($169) is just a small gizmo that clamps around your transponder's antenna coax cable and reads the squawk code and mode C altitude code being transmitted via RF. The total price for the package ranges from $980 to $1355 depending on which antennas you choose. Also for another $89 you can add on a 1090ES receiver.
Wishfull thinking... the Navworx EXP box does not have a built in GPS, its merely a UAT box, thats it.

Edit: I'm confused, not sure what this unit has now!
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Old 02-12-2015, 07:11 PM
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http://www.navworx.com/navworx_store...DS600_EXP.html

This info sheet from Navworx indicates that it does have a built in GPS
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Old 02-12-2015, 07:27 PM
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This (600-EXP) just does not pass the 'sniff test'.
For one thing, as previously discussed, there are no differences for ADSB between E-AB and normally certified aircraft. Yet this product is only for EAB?
Read the ad carefully. It says "transmits SIL = 3". It doesn't say the gps actually meets the spec. I think they have used an incredibly liberal interpretation of the rules clarification by transmitting the required signal with no proof that it actually meets the spec. If I'm correct then the FAA will never let that stand. Note the disclaimer about FAA changes.

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Old 02-12-2015, 07:53 PM
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I think what he is saying, with the new wording out from the FAA the other day in reference to "meeting the performance requirement" vs being actually TSO'd.

So Bill is saying that it meets the performance requirements of the TSO, but doesn't have the paperwork prove it.

This should be interesting!
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Old 02-13-2015, 12:34 PM
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I wanna know whos gonna be the responsible party when the FAA comes knocking and says "based on our tracking of you, your ADBS widget doesn't meet the TSO spec" and you say "but the mfg says it does!"

Take a guess what the answer will be.
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Old 02-14-2015, 06:00 AM
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Didn't we see in the thread last year that some TSO'd units did not pass with flying colors either? I doubt the FAA will come after anybody until forced by an accident.

I applaud L-3 for getting into the fray. Their UAT is comensurate with Navworks TSO'd ADS600-BG in functionality and price.
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Old 02-14-2015, 08:20 AM
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Walt,

Are the new L-3 units TSO'd?

The brochure doesn't use that word, and I didn't see it on the web site. Since these were announced immediately after the FAA clarified their position that the actual TSO isn't a requirement as long as the units meet the TSO'd requirements, I suspect that these aren't.

Can one be installed in a certified airplane and be 2020 legal?

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Old 02-14-2015, 09:58 AM
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What's the significance of approved pairing we read of in other ADS-B threads as it might apply to L3's offering? TSO'd or not, the Feds have created an approval hurdle that doesn't directly reference performance requirements. I'm therefore very much suspicious of any "solution" comprised of "compliant" GPS source and transponder that isn't FAA approved or that the manufacturer claims "meets" the TSO and stops short of demonstrated compliance, which also drags the airframe and installation into the fray for certified ships.

Beware of weasel-wording. There are a few more years to wait this thing out.

While we're sifting through "solutions", I do hope manufacturers and buyers recognize that a tiny touchy touch screen needs smooth air and a magnifying glass so we can look outwards at least half the time we would have if there weren't this "solution" to squint at, or a consumer-grade iPad thingy that has its own cockpit environment problems.

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Old 02-14-2015, 11:19 AM
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I believe the TSO is pending. They will get it if they don't already have it. L-3 is not new to the TSO process for any of these functions or development process'.

"The 2000-series products are TSO-approved and shipping, while the NGT-9000 products have been submitted for TSO approval. L-3 expects TSO approval this spring."
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