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Old 02-02-2015, 03:49 PM
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You're also comparing a license for a software *feature* against a *database* subscription.

If you're going to favorably compare your product to another vendor, you ought to at least compare apples to apples.
I don't own either system so I don't have a dog in this fight...but it appears to me that WAS an apples to apples comparison. Dynon charges the user $500 for a feature Garmin gives you for free.

Garmin charges $50/year for data Dynon gives you for free.

If you want VFR/IFR charts either company will charge you $100/year.

The point G3Xpert made was that in 10 years you will have paid the same total dollars for the data, no matter which system you own. If you own the Dynon for LESS than 10 years you will end spending more money than of you owned Garmin. If you own the Garmin for MORE than 10 you'll spend more money owning Garmin hardware. Of course this assumes you keep your databases current.

When it comes to an IFR database for legal /G filing you're in the same boat no matter whose hardware you have becase Jepp is pretty much the only game in town.

I often see people making the claim that Garmin's prices are outrageous and the other guys are free and it just doesn't hold water. If you have to pay $500 to use the free data, is it really free?
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Old 02-03-2015, 09:58 AM
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John,
A minor detail is that we don't actually charge for our data. We charge to have the mapping function on a SkyView system, and we only charge once per aircraft. The difference here is that we give you the option to buy this, while other vendors fold this into the price of the system and don't give you the option. If you look, you'll find that a system with mapping from Dynon is the same price as the system with mapping from other vendors. So it's not really free in another vendor, it's just not something you can choose to leave out. If Dynon's systems with mapping were always $500 more than other systems, then the assumption might hold true.

In the end, if total cost of ownership is the main target for your system, you need to add up the whole purchase price, and then databases over the years. Depending on your overall configuration, different vendors will look different. It's not as simple as "Dynon pre-charges for data".

As a final note, just to be clear, using Jeppesen on an experimental EFIS doesn't make it legal for /G. However, every vendor negotiates their pricing with Jeppesen, so it does actually matter what IFR navigator you use. You might find the exact same Jepp database is 2X the price in one navigator vs the other.
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Old 02-03-2015, 01:00 PM
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Hi Steve, thanks for helping to clarify this for me.

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Hello Ed,

Happy to help out with this. Put simply, a G3X Database Bundle includes databases for a G3X system, and the Pilot Pak is a database subscription for a G3X system with a GTN650/750.

So, is it as simple as choosing the Pilot Pak if you have a GTN and a Database Bundle if you don't? Not really.

With those big G3X displays, it is optional to keep all of the databases updated on the GTN 650. You could instead install EVERY database on a G3X/G3X Touch system for only $149.99/yr and only buy a Jepp NAV IFR database for the GTN. Jepp NAV database updates for the GTN are presently $195 for a single Americas update and $585/yr.

...When you are flying IFR enroute or IFR procedures with the GTN, it shares its straight and curved path leg segments with the G3X system enabling G3X to accurately render the same information on the map and sectional charts including missed approaches and holding patterns - even when the G3X system doesn't have a Jepp IFR Nav database....

US Lite Database Bundle for G3X/G3X Touch Systems $149.99/yr ($12.50/mo)
Includes the following 7 databases, updated as often as you like using an SD card in the display:
  • US VFR Navigation Data (airports, runways, frequencies)
  • Obstacles (e.g. towers - used to provide obstacle visual and aural alerting including obstacle depiction in synthetic vision)
  • Terrain (used to render synthetic vision and provide terrain alerting)
  • FliteCharts (Geo-referenced IFR approach plates, airport diagrams, arrival and departure procedures)
  • SafeTaxi (airport diagrams integrated into moving map that are displayed and zoomed automatically when you need them for taxi and landing)
  • Airport Directory (FBOs, runways, hours of operation, rental cars, etc)
  • IFR/VFR Charts (VFR sectionals and IFR Hi/Lo charts, G3X Touch only)
Thanks for this info. Since I want the IFR capability, it sounds like getting the Jepp Nav Data only for the 650 and the US Lite Datatbase Bundle for the G3X displays will get me everything I need. In that case, am I correct in assuming that I would be using the GTN650 to create flight plans, but that other features of the 650 might not be available, like Terrain displays? Anything else that I would be missing?
Also I notice that the Americas Nav Data subscription is $585 as you mention, but there is also a US subscription for $465. If I am not going to Canada or Mexico, seems like the US subscription will save me $120.

Based on this info, I think the US Lite bundle for the G3x and the US Nav Data for the GTN will be everything I would need for a total of $615, vs getting the US Standard + Flite Charts Pilot Pak for $937.

Is there any significant operational advantage to spending the extra $322 for a Pilot Pak that you can see?

One last question: Can I download and process the subscriptions on to a card from an Apple, or do I need to use a Windows PC?

Thanks

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Old 02-06-2015, 05:15 PM
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Old 03-12-2015, 03:09 AM
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Does anyone know what Australian charts are available for the G3X Touch. Or if the Chart menu option can be tuned off. It's currently very untidy...
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Old 03-12-2015, 04:10 AM
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This discussion caught my eye,
i have had the Dynon Skyview in a dual installation for now 2 hears. What Dynon supplies you is really great... Add only Seattle avionics and if you want to play IFR in VFR conditions you can put all the waypoints in on a Skyview and using altitude hold and Nav and VS. The Dynon system will split a runway...

Although it is not legal read this again....Not Legal

I just installed a GTN 650, although this gives me a navigation box for legal GPS approaches a second com and my NAV/GS You can see the information presented excellent on the SkyView as I am sure you can on the Garmin 10 inch screen also..

What gets me is that unlike Bendix/King on for the older GPS navigators. You can not skip a download, they give you 12 downloads and you decided when you use them on a subscription even if it is into the next year.

I now have to spend to get the IFRcharts, And all approach proceedures almost
900 annually from JEPP's through Garmin to be legal.. Why am I pentalized on price per download if I do invidual downloads . Why are not the individual downloads 1/12 of the annual price. I really dont need an answer to this I know why...

I give Garmin Credit for developing the experimental avionics...But I am critical of all the major avionics Manufactures for letting Jepp dictate such outrageous prices. Is Boeing/Jepp the only company that can download charts from the FAA iin a specific format that can be downloaded using the Gama format? Why don't other companies jump in and give Jepp some competition

I give Dynon and its employees an A++++++ for service and advice... Any time I have had a problem like getting the DYnon and GTN to talk to each
other correctly the folks at DYNON have bent over Backwards..


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Old 04-24-2015, 08:11 AM
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Hi Steve, thanks for helping to clarify this for me.



Thanks for this info. Since I want the IFR capability, it sounds like getting the Jepp Nav Data only for the 650 and the US Lite Datatbase Bundle for the G3X displays will get me everything I need. In that case, am I correct in assuming that I would be using the GTN650 to create flight plans, but that other features of the 650 might not be available, like Terrain displays? Anything else that I would be missing?
Also I notice that the Americas Nav Data subscription is $585 as you mention, but there is also a US subscription for $465. If I am not going to Canada or Mexico, seems like the US subscription will save me $120.

Based on this info, I think the US Lite bundle for the G3x and the US Nav Data for the GTN will be everything I would need for a total of $615, vs getting the US Standard + Flite Charts Pilot Pak for $937.

Is there any significant operational advantage to spending the extra $322 for a Pilot Pak that you can see?

One last question: Can I download and process the subscriptions on to a card from an Apple, or do I need to use a Windows PC?

Thanks
I don't think G3Xpert ever answered this. Could you guys reply to this please?

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Old 04-24-2015, 01:35 PM
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I believe you can go with the Jepp Nav Data for the GTN650, and then use the government charts instead of Jepp charts on your MFD. This might save some money. I like the Jepp charts and use them at work but the government issue charts work just fine.

You can process the subscription updates on a Mac, and now you can also do the SW updates for the G3X on a Mac... that's something new.

as for the subscription question asked in a previous post of mine, G3Xpert answered me via email... He said my proposal would work. But I'll let him chime in here.

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Old 08-17-2015, 09:25 PM
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Not to resurrect an old thread, but does anybody know how much ahead of time Garmin puts up the new charts?

Foreflight usually has the chart updates available about a week before they go live, but the current version of the charts expire on 8/20 and Garmin still doesn't have the new version on the website for the G3X.

This burnt me last month as I was going on a trip and couldn't download the new version before I left.

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Old 08-18-2015, 05:05 AM
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Hello Dan,

Please see this page on the Fly Garmin database management website for information on database cycle schedules.

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