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12-26-2014, 05:34 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Redlands, CA
Posts: 4
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New builder question
Hello all.
I looked around, so forgive me if this has already been asked.
Is it permissible to hire somebody to work side by side with me? This is my first project and I'd really like it done right. Do such people exist?
Also, is there a section in the forums for newbies?
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12-26-2014, 05:46 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Livermore, CA
Posts: 6,767
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Welcome.
The rules say you must build 51% or more, including Vans work in the total. You also are building for your own pleasure or education. So you may pay someone for a limited amount of work, as long as you still do 51%. But you may hire him to teach you how to do the work yourself (education part) without limit.
No newbie section. From time to time everyone asks a question which in retrospect was simple. Don't worry about it.
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12-26-2014, 05:48 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: LaVista, NE
Posts: 60
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Newbie!
Welcome!
The first question can better be answered by somebody else. I'm not sure of all the legalities of it. As far as the newbie part-
Remember, most people that have built a plane have never built a plane before. This is a place to ask questions-most of the people asking the questions are newbies! But, I'd highly recommend having someone local help show you the ropes to start with or it can be frustrating.
Enjoy the adventure! 
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La Vista, NE
-7A, 300+ hours on the Hobbs, ECi O-360 185 hp, GA200L Whirlwind prop
Anything I post on here may not be the best way, the right way, the only way, or even an accepted way to do something, but it's how I did it. Use the information accordingly.
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12-26-2014, 05:55 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Redlands, CA
Posts: 4
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51%
It seems like 51% can be pretty nebulous. I demo flew a plane that i won't mention a few days ago (not vans releated). They can basicly build it for you. Their position is that the work they do counts in the 51% because they're working with and for you. That is probably pushing it, but i have to admit, it took a lot of the feeling of uncertainty away.
I decided im going to move on with the 8a i started but i sure would like somebody like that who can ensure i don't fail.
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12-26-2014, 06:00 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Estes Park, CO
Posts: 3,931
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Welcome
Welcome Ensen
I would suggest the following.
1. Join the local EAA chapter, find a willing mentor and the local Tech Counselor. Between the two, you will learn all you need and have a knowledgeable person looking over the work.
2. EAA sheet metal class and webinars.
3. Vans practice kits.
4. Build on
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Larry Larson
Estes Park, CO
http://wirejockrv7a.blogspot.com
wirejock at yahoo dot com
Donated 12/03/2019, plus a little extra.
RV-7A #73391, N511RV reserved (2,000+ hours)
HS SB, empennage, tanks, wings, fuse, working finishing kit
Disclaimer
I cannot be, nor will I be, held responsible if you try to do the same things I do and it does not work and/or causes you loss, injury, or even death in the process.
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12-26-2014, 06:00 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Livermore, CA
Posts: 6,767
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Is there an EAA chapter nearby? They are always happy to critique your work in an honest but not harsh way.
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12-26-2014, 06:08 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Redlands, CA
Posts: 4
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There is. I'll be attending my first meeting in 2 weeks. Redlands, CA.
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12-26-2014, 06:50 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Dallas area
Posts: 10,761
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51% rule is NOT nebulous!
If you pay someone to work for or with you, their work does NOT count toward your 51%.
If you are building a "quick-build" kit, you have very little room for paid help.
If you obtain paid builder assistance you will need to complete the list contained in AC 20-27G, appendix 8 to show compliance with the 51% rule.
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Mel Asberry, DAR since the last century.
EAA Flight Advisor/Tech Counselor, Friend of the RV-1
Recipient of Tony Bingelis Award and Wright Brothers Master Pilot Award
USAF Vet, High School E-LSA Project Mentor.
RV-6 Flying since 1993 (sold)
<rvmel(at)icloud.com>
Last edited by Mel : 12-26-2014 at 08:01 PM.
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12-26-2014, 07:28 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Shorewood, WI (Milwaukee area)
Posts: 1,066
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Help
If you are still looking for someone, I can highly recommend Dennis Millsap. Highly knowledgeable repeat builder and a delight to work with. Give me a call at 414/861-8804 if you'd like to get further information. Good luck!
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Bill Dicus
Shorewood (Milwaukee) Wisconsin
RV-8 N9669D Flying 12/4/14!
Flying Pitts S-2A, Piper Lance
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12-26-2014, 08:40 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Redlands, CA
Posts: 4
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Good information in that circular, thank you. So the use of commercial assistance is limited to 51% minus portion completed by the kit manufacturer.
Looking further, i found construction classes / builders assistance not too far from me. Maybe that would be the way to go. And EAA of course.
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