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Old 12-17-2014, 02:23 PM
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Default Need advice--major oops using offset rivet set.

Can one of you more experienced types take a look and tell if I need to replace this part? The offset rivet set rotated and then slipped off the rivet head and hit the aluminum several times. The shop head came out fine. Is this enough damage to require replacing the part? This is the VS-705 nose rib.

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Old 12-17-2014, 04:16 PM
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Can one of you more experienced types take a look and tell if I need to replace this part? The offset rivet set rotated and then slipped off the rivet head and hit the aluminum several times. The shop head came out fine. Is this enough damage to require replacing the part? This is the VS-705 nose rib.
That sort of depends...I assume from the picture (though I might be way off here) that is on the horiz stab? If so, then first reference or opinion should be from the horses mouth at the mother ship (Vans). Sometimes those types of deals aren't a big problem (if it's not a particularly structural part), but other times it can be quite important). I'd call Vans and see what they say.

On a side note, do you have tape on your rivet set? Sometimes that'll help a little bit....

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Old 12-17-2014, 04:58 PM
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On a side note, do you have tape on your rivet set? Sometimes that'll help a little bit....
Or Avery's Snap Soc's? I found they work really well.
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Old 12-17-2014, 06:48 PM
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I dunno about the parts, but throw away the offset rivet set. I was too dumb to ever figure out how to make the dang things work.
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Old 12-17-2014, 07:02 PM
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It's the lower nose rib for the vertical stabilizer. After some thought I did send the photo to tech support.
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Old 12-17-2014, 08:00 PM
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It's the lower nose rib for the vertical stabilizer. After some thought I did send the photo to tech support.
Ahhhh....I was at least at the right end of the airplane, I "missed it by that much"!!

Good on ya for asking Vans...I'm confident you'll get the right answer from them. Alex is also right, put a long straight set in the gun and save yourself some aggrivation.

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Old 12-17-2014, 08:12 PM
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I dunno about the parts, but throw away the offset rivet set. I was too dumb to ever figure out how to make the dang things work.
I thought I was the only one. ;-)
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Old 12-17-2014, 08:27 PM
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A long straight set wouldn't help because both ends of the rivet are guarded by rib flanges, but that gives me an idea if I do have to replace it. Since there are no rivets installed on the sides yet, I could have simply bent the rib up an inch or two to get the obstructing flanges out of the way and used my straight set. I'm trying to follow the directions precisely, but I think I need to work more on creative problem solving.
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Old 12-17-2014, 08:37 PM
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A long straight set wouldn't help because both ends of the rivet are guarded by rib flanges, but that gives me an idea if I do have to replace it. Since there are no rivets installed on the sides yet, I could have simply bent the rib up an inch or two to get the obstructing flanges out of the way and used my straight set. I'm trying to follow the directions precisely, but I think I need to work more on creative problem solving.
Frequently one can deflect things enough to get a decent shot at it with a straight one. Anything is better than those offset rivet sets.
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Old 12-17-2014, 09:25 PM
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I dunno about the parts, but throw away the offset rivet set. I was too dumb to ever figure out how to make the dang things work.
I've messed up my share of metal with an offset set, but I eventually found that I have to have a partner to buck, and use my free hand to hold the tip of the set on the rivet. It came in really handy riveting the aft flanges of the baggage ribs to the F-706 bulkhead after joining the center and aft fuselage sections.
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