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11-30-2014, 07:33 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2009
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Fuel from manifold HELP!
We were doing a leak check at the end of the annual condition inspection. With the throttle open, fuel pump on and mixture full rich, I had fuel coming out of the #4 intake manifold (at the gasket) and eventually out of the air box. I have the Silver Hawk EX-5VA1 on an IO-360. The spark plug was dry. Clearly I will replace the intake gaskets, but what has caused this? I suspect a problem with the "flow divider" (where the injector lines come from) but is this likely? Any comments appreciated.
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11-30-2014, 07:47 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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new gaskets...
Want to get in on an order of new gaskets?
http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...d.php?t=120151
I'm not a fuel system expert...but I don't see why the fuel flow divider would be an issue. I believe the dividers purpose is to divide the fuel to the nozzles and to ensure the fuel flow stops at Idle-Cutoff.
I have the same FI system as you and what you are describing is how I prime for starting with throttle/mixture and pump...so why wouldn't the fuel be dumping into the manifold?
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11-30-2014, 07:52 AM
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Normal
Except for the leak in the intake gasket.
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11-30-2014, 08:34 AM
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With the mixture rich, throttle open and boost pump on, you were dumping copious amounts of fuel into the intake port. The fact that a bunch of fuel ended up puddling in the airbox is not a surprise, but leaking out of the intake gasket indicates a problem with the gasket seal, not the fuel system.
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11-30-2014, 10:36 AM
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Thanks for the comments. It was just SO much fuel (like a major fire hazard) that caught me off guard. If I can fix with 4 new manifold gaskets, that sounds great! (And inexpensive)
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11-30-2014, 10:42 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toobuilder
With the mixture rich, throttle open and boost pump on, you were dumping copious amounts of fuel into the intake port. The fact that a bunch of fuel ended up puddling in the airbox is not a surprise, but leaking out of the intake gasket indicates a problem with the gasket seal, not the fuel system.
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Correct...
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11-30-2014, 10:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 330drvr
Thanks for the comments. It was just SO much fuel (like a major fire hazard) that caught me off guard. If I can fix with 4 new manifold gaskets, that sounds great! (And inexpensive)
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You should really study the "how it works" documentation on your fuel system. If this surprised you, imagine your surprise when you flood it and have a starting backfire. You do have a sniffle valve, right?
These injectors do not pulse (like most automotive EFI). They are continuous flow and have pressure/flow when under pressure (boost pump on) even if the engine is not running. This is the idle condition. A trickle can add up pretty quickly.
Knowledge leads to improved safety!
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11-30-2014, 12:14 PM
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When I was trying to start my engine for the first time, I had no idea how much throttle and mixture to give it. After a lot of unsuccessful cranking and horsing around with throttle/mixture, I pushed the plane back in to check other vital signs. Once in the hangar, I found 1" of raw fuel in the intake snout ... the liquid line was visible thru the fiberglass. Only then did I learn how much fuel a Silverhawk will dump when set full rich. That's why they flood so easy.... especially when hot.
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11-30-2014, 02:29 PM
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During my fuel systems tests before Phase 1, I learned (by direct measurement) that the RSA-5 servo will flow 5 to 6 gallons per hour at the conditions noted by the OP.
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