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10-23-2014, 12:37 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Hobbs, NM
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Serial Port Wiring
Hello All,
I have two 10" Skyview Displays and a VP-X. The VP-X manual shows to wire the serial port to both displays. Each display has a provided wiring harness and the serial lines are all non-shielded twisted pairs. I have already found comments from Dynon that they feel the serial lines do not need shielding even though the VP-X manual shows shielded. I Agree with Dynon and will not use shielding, but my question is going from one VP-X wire to each wire on the Dynons. One wire to two wires.
Can I use a crimp style splice here, or should I solder? I have a high end crimper that does a good job but would seek wisdom from the crowd that knows.
Thanks for the anticipated input.
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RV-7A Tip Up Airworthy on 12/20/2016
RV-10 Emp 95% complete - sold
RV-14A Empennage Done waiting on front fuse kit to show up.
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10-23-2014, 01:06 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Garden City, Tx
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Use a terminal strip like this, I shot this pic while installing mine. I've got dual 10" screens just like you and the serials need to connect to both screens. I tied the matching serials of the two screens together and fed them into the top, then the bottom connection runs to my chosen device for the serial connection. I mounted this directly on the subpanel and labeled it with a sharpy for future use.

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Greg Niehues - SEL, IFR, Repairman Cert.
Garden City, TX VAF 2020 dues paid 
N16GN flying 700 hrs and counting; IO360, SDS, WWRV200, Dynon HDX, 430W
Built an off-plan RV9A with too much fuel and too much HP. Should drop dead any minute now.
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10-23-2014, 01:42 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Schaumburg, IL
Posts: 5,277
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Quote:
Originally Posted by drone_pilot
Hello All,
I have two 10" Skyview Displays and a VP-X. The VP-X manual shows to wire the serial port to both displays. Each display has a provided wiring harness and the serial lines are all non-shielded twisted pairs. I have already found comments from Dynon that they feel the serial lines do not need shielding even though the VP-X manual shows shielded. I Agree with Dynon and will not use shielding, but my question is going from one VP-X wire to each wire on the Dynons. One wire to two wires.
Can I use a crimp style splice here, or should I solder? I have a high end crimper that does a good job but would seek wisdom from the crowd that knows.
Thanks for the anticipated input.
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Crimping is fine for serial wiring and solder works as well. As long as you are using quality crimp terminals with proper tools, it is as good as solder. Pro's to solder are reduced corrosion. Pro's to crimping are reduced cracking due to wire movement.
Larry
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10-23-2014, 02:04 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: US
Posts: 2,245
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Quote:
Originally Posted by airguy
Use a terminal strip like this, I shot this pic while installing mine. I've got dual 10" screens just like you and the serials need to connect to both screens. I tied the matching serials of the two screens together and fed them into the top, then the bottom connection runs to my chosen device for the serial connection. I mounted this directly on the subpanel and labeled it with a sharpy for future use.

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What's on the ends of those wires? Is there a ring terminal or something on there, hidden under the plastic?
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10-23-2014, 02:07 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Garden City, Tx
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No, it's got a small steel backing plate inserted into the plastic housing, and the steel screw pinches the wires down onto the backing plate for contact. The top and bottom of each section are connected by the same internal backing plate. The screw in the plastic is surprisingly high-torque so it won't back out under vibration. I put this directly behind my right-side screen for easy access later.
These are sold in the Avionics section of your local Lowes Hardware.
In any case, there are hundreds of variations of the terminal strip idea - pick one that floats your boat and head downstream with it.
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Greg Niehues - SEL, IFR, Repairman Cert.
Garden City, TX VAF 2020 dues paid 
N16GN flying 700 hrs and counting; IO360, SDS, WWRV200, Dynon HDX, 430W
Built an off-plan RV9A with too much fuel and too much HP. Should drop dead any minute now.
Last edited by airguy : 10-23-2014 at 02:11 PM.
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10-23-2014, 02:12 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Hales Corners, WI
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Call me weird, but I'm just wondering how a bird cra**ed on your panel there?
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10-23-2014, 02:35 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Garden City, Tx
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Originally Posted by Veetail88
Call me weird, but I'm just wondering how a bird cra**ed on your panel there?
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Haha!! Nice catch...
My plane shares space with tractors and farming equipment, my family is all cotton farmers, birds inhabit the space. I try to keep everything covered and clean, but sometimes it happens....
I'm actually very proactive about cleaning it when it happens because I'm not sure what corrosive effects I might find later from the bird droppings.
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Greg Niehues - SEL, IFR, Repairman Cert.
Garden City, TX VAF 2020 dues paid 
N16GN flying 700 hrs and counting; IO360, SDS, WWRV200, Dynon HDX, 430W
Built an off-plan RV9A with too much fuel and too much HP. Should drop dead any minute now.
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10-23-2014, 03:52 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: US
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Quote:
Originally Posted by airguy
No, it's got a small steel backing plate inserted into the plastic housing, and the steel screw pinches the wires down onto the backing plate for contact. The top and bottom of each section are connected by the same internal backing plate. The screw in the plastic is surprisingly high-torque so it won't back out under vibration. I put this directly behind my right-side screen for easy access later.
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That's what I thought.
This is not a good practice for aviation. Wires should have terminals crimped (or soldered, but crimping is preferred) on the ends and a more positive method of attachment to a terminal bus than just smashing wires under screws.
This is a failure-prone installation.
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10-23-2014, 06:29 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Victoria, Canada
Posts: 2,247
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This problem is elegantly solved with a wiring hub. This allows you to connect all of the serial ports, audio signals and a few other signals from the SkyView to all of your other avionics using dsub connectors.
There's a schematic on the EFIS page of this document (document is an older rev but serves the purpose).

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10-24-2014, 03:12 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Sydney Australia
Posts: 220
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That's really neat Vern.
I've done something similar, but the hard way! All ARINC pairs to one 25 pin DSUB
All RS232 to another.
The other mating half of each DSUB jumpers the required pairs together.
Neat and secure
Cheers
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RV7 VH-XRC Sold :-(
RV10 in progress.
Sydney, AUS
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