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10-07-2014, 02:32 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: US
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Originally Posted by N62XS
Most hangars are leased. At least in Georgia, ANY lease of real property is governed by the Landloard/Tenant laws. Our laws cover everything from landlord access of the property to rent increases. The last three hangars I rented included a clause concerning use that required a registered aircraft be housed in said hangar. It was specified so the respective counties could collect yearly taxes on every possible aircraft.
This should be an interesting showdown, if the FAA decides to battle states/local municipalities.
I commented last month, but the more I think about this, the more I see it ending up in a federal court, if the FAA decides to attempt to rule on a state/local issue.
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If the airport took federal funds, then they're bound by the Grant Assurances. My money would be on the FAA in such a dispute.
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10-19-2014, 07:22 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: US
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Outdoor Tie Downs
I went to the small town of TEA, South Dakota this past weekend. Stopped at the airport there to inquire about hangar space. They laughed.
Such seems to be the norm for anything within 60 miles or so of a major airport. No space, waiting list, good luck.
So do home builders then just get a tie down spot, put up a temporary canopy for shade, and work on their planes outdoors in the weather of the day? Throw all your tools in your vehicle and be a mobile mechanic?
I would like to build a plane, but I may wind up driving two hours out to some ghost of an airfield to find a hangar. And if I can't find one, then that leaves outdoor tie downs, or folding wings and store it at home IF your HOA allows it.
I am taking a wild guess, but figure most busier airports are not going to want guys each weekend, out on the field with their trucks and trailers full of tools and parts, wrenching on their planes out in their tie down spots.
I suppose you could finish your airplane completely at home. Then hire a helicopter to hoist it over to an airport tie down. That seems really practical...not!
It seems the first tasks before even deciding to build an airplane, are:
1. Finding hangar space that you are willing to drive to.
2. Make sure you can pass the physical now and when you anticipate finishing the plane.
Because building a plane and THEN not being able to do one of the above would really suck.
And then being able to do both and THEN being told you can't do ANY work on the airplane once it is in the hangar. Hmmm
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10-19-2014, 08:02 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Estes Park, CO
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Hangar space
If you dream of building, go for it. Go to the airports you might like to call home and put your name on the waiting list. Mine came to the top twice. I passed the first time.
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10-19-2014, 08:15 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Meridian ID, Aspen CO, Okemos MI
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Many rural airports have land that is available to build your own hangar. You have to really dig to find it because some airport managers do not want more hangars. I don't understand their reasoning, but they tend to be very protective of any land they manage.
You need to ask the local realtor that handles the renting and sales of hangars. That is what I did. Another thing to do is get onto the airport however you need to and look for signs. I think you will find there are more hangars available that the airport manager doesn't know about. I wouldn't be opposed to stopping by every open hangar and offer to rent them a storage unit for all the crapola they are not supposed to have in their hangars - but do, so a space can be made for you!
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10-19-2014, 10:04 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: US
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Originally Posted by AL_O_Dine
I went to the small town of TEA, South Dakota this past weekend. Stopped at the airport there to inquire about hangar space. They laughed.
Such seems to be the norm for anything within 60 miles or so of a major airport. No space, waiting list, good luck.
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And then being able to do both and THEN being told you can't do ANY work on the airplane once it is in the hangar. Hmmm
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First, again I believe that there is no rule against working on a plane in a hangar (in fact, the wording of the Grant Assurances seems to me to include specifically doing maintenance, repairs, etc.) Absent a safety rationale, I'm not sure how an airport could legally prohibit such activity. I can find the wording in the Grant Assurance again if someone wants to see it.
Second, and more importantly...I looked at our airport's Master Plan, which included all sorts of analysis on expected numbers of operations and based aircraft over the next 10-20 years, etc., and from that and the current occupancy rate and such, derived a figure for *additional* hangars that would "need" to be constructed. I find that figure dubious, because based just on my driving around the field observations, I estimate 30-50% of the hangars have NO aircraft in them at all. In the several rows of hangars near me alone, fully half of the hangars are used for: storing up to 8 or so cars, boats and trucks and assorted nautical stuff, furniture, some sort of business (it seems) with inventory, boxes, etc., and a few with just general gobs of ****. I half expect to find a hangar with horse stalls and horses in it someday.
If the airport authority would simply enforce the rule that airport facilities are for *airplanes* and not the overflow of junk from your house or your junky old cars that you never seem to get fully running enough to drive anywhere, your sort of problem might never occur. And, they might have to reduce the hangar rates to entice more people to opt for them instead of tie-downs. Or not, but it should at the very least eliminate the multi-year waiting lists for hangars that we keep hearing about. As a side benefit, it would eliminate the people tuning up (or trying to tune up) their cars *in the hangar* and spewing exhaust into mine...
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10-20-2014, 07:58 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: SE Florida
Posts: 1,499
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Forget the helicopter
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Originally Posted by AL_O_Dine
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I suppose you could finish your airplane completely at home. Then hire a helicopter to hoist it over to an airport tie down. That seems really practical...not!
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Building at home or a warehouse bay and then moving the completed plane [or nearly completed] to the airport is fairly common. See the thread below.
http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...roject+airport
I have a friend who owns a one man/truck towing company. He has moved several RVs to the airport [wings removed] on his flat bed tow truck.
Charlie 
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